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'Dead, wounded' on both sides in east Ukraine police raid
AFP via Yahoo! ^

Posted on 04/13/2014 3:45:10 AM PDT by wetphoenix

Kiev (AFP) - Ukraine's interior minister said on Sunday that both sides had suffered casualties during a raid launched by Ukrainian special forces on a police station in the eastern city of Slavyansk that was seized by pro-Russian gunmen.

"There are dead and wounded on both sides. On our side -- an SBU (Ukrainian Security Service) officer. The head of the SBU's anti-terrorist centre has been wounded, as have four others," Interior Minister Arsen Avakov wrote on his Facebook page.

"On side of the separatists -- an unidentified number. The separatists have started to protect themselves using human shields."

Avakov added that Ukraine's special forces have begun to "regroup" but he gave no other details.

About 20 pro-Kremlin gunmen on Saturday seized the Slavyansk police station and later occupied the city's SBU security service building.

The raids were accompanied by unconfirmed reports of police stations in other nearby cities in the heavily Russified east of the country also falling under gunmen's control.

Video footage aired on Ukrainian television showed gunmen opening fire on Saturday during a raid on a police station in the nearby town of Kramatorsk.

Ukraine's interior ministry had on Saturday denied that the Kramatorsk police station had also been taken by the armed separatists.

Avakov only said in his Facebook posting that "the people of Kramatorsk are unhappy with the actions of the invaders".

The east of Ukraine has been rocked by protests demanding that the region stage referendums on joining Kremlin rule similar to the one that led to Crimea's annexation by Russia last month.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: biden; russia; ukraine
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To: FutureRocketMan
"threatening violence against those who don’t support them. Completely unlike the Kiev protestors."

Wow. Really? I mean, there's a lot of things that can be argued but...seriously?

41 posted on 04/13/2014 8:05:41 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: icwhatudo
"Some of the pre-invasion forces? Nope, no support at all."

I didn't say there was absolutely no support, or that the Russians can't pay enough people to come out and stand in a crowd. I said that 65 percent of the population did not support it, as confirmed by multiple polls conducted this month and in March, and also in the past. The few hundred extremists marched out by the armed goons choking and punching people (how come you don't post those pictures?), or the Russian Spetsnaz troops (the guys in green, some of whom have been identified) does not justify Russian invasion and annexation.

42 posted on 04/13/2014 8:09:25 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Bluestocking

The Ukraine should demand a new referendum in the Crimea scheduled four years from now, and with international observers. Why have only one? The Russian government will make themselves even more unpopular in the Crimea with their world-class bureaucratic incompetence.

They should also send agents to Kaliningrad and agitate for a referendum there. Kaliningrad would be happy to vote to join Germany but they would probably even vote to join Ukraine if that was the only way to get out from under Moscow.


43 posted on 04/13/2014 8:21:50 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Monterrosa-24

Haha - I was reading some days back that the Russkis have told the Crimeans “once “in”, you can’t leave.”


44 posted on 04/13/2014 8:29:50 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Paul R.

The Hotel Russia - You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.


45 posted on 04/13/2014 8:31:55 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Paul R.

They also told many people they could not vote in the joke of a referendum they conducted.


46 posted on 04/13/2014 8:34:31 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
The Western media has abetted the lie that Putin is some sort of macho guy instead of a weaselly little spook with short-man complex. At the same time the Western sports media has largely ignored one of the biggest stories in the entire history of sports with two brothers dominating the heavyweight division. Both of which are at least Gene Tunney's equal in literacy which makes the story even bigger. The Ukraine is justifiably proud of them.  photo wladimir-klitschko_zps316d19ed.jpg Vitali Klitschko photo Vitali-Klitschko_zps2c1e611f.jpg
47 posted on 04/13/2014 8:46:26 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
"There is no popular support for uniting with Russia in Eastern Ukraine. "

"I didn't say there was absolutely no support"

My mistake.

Obviously Russia is involved in whats happening in the east. Do you think the EU had no involvement with what happened in the west?

48 posted on 04/13/2014 8:50:32 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: icwhatudo
Call a spade a spade.

As long as the demented Russian goons (who mean us ill by the way)stick to their traditional breeding grounds, no harm no foul.

What is yanking our chain is the development of their tactics, and their attempt to expand.

Looks like CIA is going to piss in Putins cornflakes, and the communist in the WH can't stop them.

49 posted on 04/13/2014 8:56:19 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: icwhatudo

I’m not sure i follow. Why do you have a problem with that statement. As far as i am aware, there wasn’t much, if any violence perpetrated by Kiev protestors against the Yanukovych regime. Am i wrong?


50 posted on 04/13/2014 9:12:03 PM PDT by FutureRocketMan (Santorum/Perry or Perry/Santorum 2016 Rand Paul's pretty good too.)
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To: icwhatudo

The Maydan protesters did not start off with violence OR arms. It was only after protesters were beaten in large numbers by security forces that the situation ratcheted up. Only at the end did the Maydan protesters have anything like the quantity of military type light arms the separatists taking gov’t buildings in the Donbass region have had from the start... (Such arms are illegal in Ukraine - a few of the Right Sector types had ‘em, but that was about it.) In addition, it is telling that the Maydan protests, from a national standpoint, were relatively unorganized, while these actions in the Donbass have been impressively organized. They have obviously been well planned for some time.


51 posted on 04/13/2014 9:29:06 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: icwhatudo
Obviously Russia is involved in whats happening in the east. Do you think the EU had no involvement with what happened in the west?

Did the EU make the Russian puppet loot the Ukrainian government, leave a staggering amount of debt, tear apart the Ukrainian military, and systematically infiltrate Russian agents into every level of government? Why do you think his own party has denounced and rejected him? They themselves decry him as a thief and a traitor to his country, and a murderer too.

52 posted on 04/13/2014 9:34:43 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

So was that a “no”?


53 posted on 04/13/2014 9:55:04 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: Monterrosa-24

~The Ukraine should demand a new referendum in the Crimea scheduled four years from now, and with international observers. Why have only one? The Russian government will make themselves even more unpopular in the Crimea with their world-class bureaucratic incompetence.

They should also send agents to Kaliningrad and agitate for a referendum there. Kaliningrad would be happy to vote to join Germany but they would probably even vote to join Ukraine if that was the only way to get out from under Moscow~

What a BS. Have you been to both nations? The difference between Ukraine and Russia is much more striking than it is between US and Mexico. And it is not Russia which stands for Mexico in this comparison.


54 posted on 04/15/2014 6:17:11 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

~Did the EU make the Russian puppet loot the Ukrainian government, leave a staggering amount of debt, tear apart the Ukrainian military, and systematically infiltrate Russian agents into every level of government?~

In fact they had their puppets looting Ukraine before Yanukovych. Ukrainian government is all the same in nature for the last decades, regardless geopolitical orientation.


55 posted on 04/15/2014 6:23:27 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

Yes, I have been to both nations including Moscow, Kharkov, Kiev, Luhansk, and Alchevsk and the comparison is all in Ukraine’s favor.


56 posted on 04/15/2014 6:28:34 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Monterrosa-24

Do you realize that a police officer in Ukraine makes about $40 a week? McD’s minimal wage burger flipper in Russia has $3,5-4,7 per hour which is above upper middle class in Ukraine.


57 posted on 04/15/2014 6:33:21 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

Do you realize that a skilled surgeon in Arkhangelsk makes enough to live in a small cramped apartment with his family. Surgeons in El Salvador fair much better and so do some in Ukraine.


58 posted on 04/15/2014 6:44:25 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Monterrosa-24

~Do you realize that a skilled surgeon in Arkhangelsk makes enough to live in a small cramped apartment with his family. Surgeons in El Salvador fair much better and so do some in Ukraine.~

Probably a decade ago. I know a bunch of Russian doctors, none are poor by any standard.


59 posted on 04/16/2014 3:19:22 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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