Posted on 04/14/2014 1:25:37 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
Glenn will give additional analysis on this interview on tonight’s Glenn Beck Program on TheBlaze TV.
Over the weekend, the ongoing conflict between Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), a federal agency that administers public land, came to a seeming conclusion when the BLM stood down and released Bundy’s cattle over safety concerns for their people on the ground. Some fringe media sites had been promoting the conflict as the possible beginning of a second American Revolution or the start of the “American Spring”. Glenn, however, has refused to do more than report the facts as he understood them until he could speak with Bundy. He did, however, author a letter denouncing any supporters of Bundy who were calling for armed conflict and violence, imploring people to follow the example of Martin Luther King and Gandhi and protest peacefully.
This morning on radio, Glenn spoke with Bundy about the escalating conflict and why Bundy has refused to pay grazing fees associated with his use of the public land.
“The story of Cliven Bundy, and his ranch in Nevada, is one that I think is captivating many Americans. And it may indeed go down in American history as more than just a quick footnote. I hope that it would go down in history as a positive footnote. But it is one of those situations where we could face another Waco or another really bad situation, a Ruby Ridge,” Glenn said.
During the interview, Glenn tried to understand Bundy’s perspective on the dispute. Was this conflict over ranching and grazing fees? Or was it over an issue of state sovereignty or disarming the BLM?
Glenn said, “I have people that graze on my land. And there is national land behind my ranch as well. And I know if anybody runs cattle on that, they also have to pay for grazing fees. Grazing fees are normal. And you stopped paying them. Your daughter said you did pay them for a while and then you stopped paying them. There are some people that would say that you are, if I may quote, a ‘welfare rancher’ because you’re not paying the fees that other ranchers do have to pay.”
“Let’s make sure we get this straight. I would pay my grazing fees to the proper government and I did try to pay my grazing fees to the proper government. I do not have a contract with the United States because I will not sign that contract with the United States,” Bundy explained. “I have no contract. I did not graze my cattle on the United States property. And I would pay my grazing fees to the proper government.”
Glenn asked him to clarify since in the Nevada State Constitution that land Bundy’s cattle are grazing on was given over to the federal government.
Below is a transcript of Bundy’s explanation:
CLIVEN: Let’s talk about the — Glenn, I really want to talk about that because that’s very important. You’re talking about the Enabling Act of the people of the territory of the state of Nevada. And remember, in the — section of the Constitution, we’re talking about territories of Nevada. Let me see if I can get that straight. What it says, it says the United States Congress will have power to dispose of all rules and regulations within the territory. Now, let’s think what we’re doing. We’re talking about the territory of Nevada. People of the territory of Nevada. As they — they do not have the Constitution. They’re within the territory and Congress had an unlimited power to make all the rules and regulations. Okay. The people of the territory petitioned the United States Congress to make this a state. And they have a clouded title. So in order to clear their title, they give up their public domain — forever. It sounds terrible. Forever? But let me tell what you they had to do. They had to give it up forever so Congress would have a clear title.And what did Congress do? It made a state of Nevada. Which [indiscernible] a lot of them — quote Ed Presley here. Here’s what Ed Presley said. It doesn’t matter what happened before statehood. What matters is what has happened at the moment of statehood. Now, if you think about that in the second. At the moment of statehood. What happened? At the moment of statehood the people of the territory become people of the United States with the Constitution with equal footing to the original 13 states. They had boundaries around them, a state line. And that boundary was divided into 17 subdivisions, which were county. I live in one of those counties: Clark County, Nevada. And in that county, Clark County, Nevada, we elect our county commissioners, which is the closest to we the peoplend we elect the county sheriff and we pay him to do what? Protect our life, liberty and property.I’m a citizen of that county. I abide by all the state laws.
Essentially, Bundy is saying this conflict isn’t inherently about grazing fees or water rights, but that he ultimately does not recognize the lands to be federal and the United States government or the BLM do not have jurisdiction on the land.
“So I think this is very clarifying to people,” Glenn said.
“It’s not BLM land. It’s Nevada land,” Bundy said.
“That is a different point of view than everybody else that is a rancher that I know,” Glenn said.
Based on the conversation on the radio show, Bundy’s fundamental issue isn’t with an out of control government taking control of his personal land, but that he disagrees with how that land became federal land when Nevada was founded in 1864.
Cliven did say that while he believes that Nevada is a sovereign state within the United States, he does not identify with the sovereign states movement.
BTTT
“All you property are belong to us now.”
According to his family contracts from the 1800’s, it is NEVADA property.
....Were talking about the territory of Nevada. People of the territory of Nevada. As they they do not have the Constitution. Theyre within the territory and Congress had an unlimited power to make all the rules and regulations. Okay. The people of the territory petitioned the United States Congress to make this a state. And they have a clouded title. So in order to clear their title, they give up their public domain forever. It sounds terrible. Forever? But let me tell what you they had to do. They had to give it up forever so Congress would have a clear title. And what did Congress do? It made a state of Nevada....
....Based on the conversation on the radio show, Bundys fundamental issue isnt with an out of control government taking control of his personal land, but that he disagrees with how that land became federal land when Nevada was founded in 1864.
PFL
sokay..... the UN will likely TAKE..ownership before this is cleared up....
HOW ODD eh?
“So-called Non Government Organizations (but can we really call them such now that they are part of the government?) ..[.RE THE SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER...[ And select law enforcement officers such as the Clark County Nevada Sheriff, Doug Gillespie.
Bundy is being his own worst enemy. He is grazing his cattle on United States Property, but the grazing and land managment laws are actually on his side and the BLM is improperly jacking up his fees and restricting his herds using the Desert Tortoise as a weapon against him.
He needs to get a lawyer and quit making dumb statements on television.
Why should this producer pay anything to the feds after we paid the feds hundreds of billion to protect our sovereignty and borders, all while they aided and abetted tens of millions from Mexico to trespass on our lands?
Then the feds turn around and force us all to pay literally hundreds of billions more ANNUALLY to support them, feed them, house them, educate and hospitalize them?
Why are we paying hundreds of billions in taxes and fees annually for millions of illegal trespassers?
Why are we paying hundreds of billions in taxes and fees annually for millions of illegal trespassers?
Why are we paying hundreds of billions in taxes and fees annually for millions of illegal trespassers?
And if you want to drive someone off, you don’t have to do it forcefully. You simply make it too expensive for them and drive them out of business.
I get the impression that is what happened. Only the last remaining rancher refused to be knocked down without fighting.
Bundy is in the right (generally) but has wacko legal theories given the current legal structure.
Now that the Law comes from the mouth of Bammy (unilateral 0bamaCare legal changes) and H0lder (WAY selective enforcement) and Reid (former aide Neil Kornze now Director of the BLM), why shouldn't hte Law come out of the mouth of Cliven Bundy?
Or any other American?
At ease. Do as you will.
Old Stinkface Harry is determined to get his way.
Agreed. But I heard today that the statue of limitations has ended.
It does not.
He should probably quit with the strange legal theories and stick to the facts of the case: he was using federal land and abiding by the rules until the federal government changed the rules on him.
This posse comitatus kind of rhetoric is really unsound.
A better question is: why is the federal government continuing to hold onto so much land after more than 150 years? Why is it not sold at a market price to people like Mr. Bundy who are making good use of it?
My guess is that he can’t get a lawyer because no competent lawyer would make those absurd arguments in federal court. The lawyer would probably have Rule 11 sanctions imposed for making an argument with no basis in fact or law. It’s not up to Cliven Bundy to interpret the Constitution as he sees fit - otherwise, don’t complain when a liberal judge does so.
Who else wants to run cattle in the desert there?
It's not up to Bammy to interpret the Constitution as he sees fit, but that doesn't seem to stop him.
Why should C liven be treated differently?
“After the 1934 act they continued to pay grazing fees and make improvements up until the 1990’s.
Somewhere along the way the Bureau of Land Management was created. I don’t know what year.
Around 1990 or so they told him that he could no longer graze more than 150 of his 600 or so head of cattle there.
He told them to pound sand and kept paying his fees and grazing his cattle.
Around 1994 they told him he could only graze them in the summer, fall and winter and said it was so that the cattle didn’t disturb the Desert Tortoise. (more on that later)
He told them that they were HIRED by the Taylor Grazing act to MANAGE the land for the ranchers. So he FIRED them and started paying his fees to to the state of Nevada. Soon they didn’t know where to put it so they quit taking payments.
Meanwhile they came at him from another angle. When they saw they weren’t going to be able to force him off the land the BLM SOLD the rights to the land to the state of Nevada under the condition that the state RETIRE the grazing rights permanently. Nevada legislators, being idiots, did their bidding. That was around 1996 or so.
But the state left him alone and let him forage all those years.
A few years ago, due to Agenda 21, Ranchers around the nation were being shut down and either bought out (with a program that paid them a lump sum of YOUR taxpayer funds in exchange for quitting ranching.
A lot of them did. The program was touted as “optional” but they intimidated the ranchers with lawsuits ranging from environmental concerns to water concerns to endangered species.
Before all this there were 50 ranchers in Clark County Nevada. Now there is one. Cliven Bundy.”
Another good question is:
Why does the BLM get to make the Law and then have Rustler Reid's minion Director Neil Kornze enforce it?
Where is this statue?
Is it made of stone or bronze?
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