Posted on 04/15/2014 10:41:46 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
Despite much diplomatic effort, the situation in Ukraine worsens. A coordinated Russian campaign, including an invasion threat, special operations destabilization in eastern Ukraine patterned on the Crimea model, and warnings of gas cutoffs document ever more clearly Vladimir Putin’s aim to cripple the Ukrainian government and control much or even all of this strategically vital European country.
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.....(”it’s whether Russian territorial ambitions should be stopped here or much later on, when the costs will be much higher.”)..............
Well, that could be equally said of the EU/Nato/Us territorial ambitions of scooping up the Baltic Nations in their march for unified European Empire.
Facts not in evidence are assumptions and you make a LOT of ass umptions.
I enlisted in the Corps and am proud to have served. We now have an all volunteer military and those who are patriotic enough to serve are too precious a resource to waste on the fantasies of some nutcase who fancies them self the equal of an ancient Chinese general.
Go get a few more video games or the nice old ones with hexes on the map with kewl cardboard troops to maneuver around and kill by the thousands.
Conservatives in this country have had more than enough of people full of theory and devoid of common sense sending the best of us off to be slaughtered and maimed while they gradually destroy the Republic in the name of grand International schemes.
......”I don’t care if the Ukrainians kill all the Russians or the Russians kill all the Ukrainians. All I care about is that not one drop of our boys blood is split over their problems”.....
Exactly! Let them duke it out...it’s between Russian and Ukraine and EU..always has been. The EU knew all too well they were interfering and the potential outcome in how Putin would respond. They are just as intent on creating the EU Empire as they claim Russia is at creating there’s....we have nothing to do with that.
You're a living example of the truism that all soldiers have strong opinions and many of them will tend to be opposed to fighting the battles they've had to personally participate in. And in grousing about their assigned duties, they're exactly the same as all other working stiffs in the civilian world.
Uh! No, No and No way.
I’d rather send troops into Mexico to clean out the drug cartels and get that one way door opened back up so the lost sheep can go back home. :-)
“Kosovo II
or
WWIII”
Kosovo didn’t have a large, viable Air Force, nor the ability to sustain and replenish huge forces in the field.
So that leaves....
WWIII
“Well, that could be equally said of the EU/Nato/Us territorial ambitions of scooping up the Baltic Nations in their march for unified European Empire.”
Equivocating the US, NATO and the EU to Russia annexing sovereign land is idiotic.
NATO was the bulwark that protected Europe from Soviet/Russian aggression. Allowing the Baltics to join, voluntarily for protection from Russia is slightly different than Russia taking land by force. wow
Send John McCain and Lindsey Graham to the “Russian Front”.
I find it interesting that over time, conservatives and liberals are coming to essentially the same conclusion on foreign adventures. Gives me the barest scintilla of hope that our opposition isn’t completely insane.
Just almost completely insane.
“We’re not poking the bear - they’re poking the free world.”
And you are ignoring everything that has happened in the last several years, like Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, the attempted attack on Syria, and the US destabilization of Ukraine.
Are you really that stupid?
I haven't really thought of myself as being the guy's equal (or, for that matter, his inferior or superior). Zhang Fei was portrayed as a bit of an idiot savant in the 14th century novel "Romance of the Three Kingdoms", whose sole saving graces were his (1) individual fighting skill and (2) unshakeable loyalty. I used the name on a whim, simply because it sounded exotic and clearly fictional, just from a quick Google search. The entire period was interesting, because it appeared, for a time, as if the newly-established Chinese empire (~400 years old at the time) might follow the path of the Roman Empire in dividing into its component pieces, presaging the establishment of Europe's modern nation states. And yet the Chinese empire has endured to the present time, along with the dozens of languages that are still spoken within its boundaries.
Gotta love the platitudes, eh?
“The only thing you need to beg forgiveness for is kissing the Jack Boot of Russian oppression and the wannabe little Hitler, Putin”
Wow...
When are you leaving to join the Ukrainian army, Keyboard Kommando?
Russia's will to empire seems to blind its adherents to the obvious, that annexing a foreign country is not the same as influencing that foreign country.
Should have had the lady of the administration travel with them and then they would have been fed. As a Marine mom I am incensed with you. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
“When are you leaving to join the Ukrainian army, Keyboard Kommando?”
I volunteered for infantry and paratrooper for the US army...
So, you can take that keyboard comment and stuff it up your Russian/Serb/Alex Jones patoot, or whatever misfit group you belong to.
He'd actually be more effective by trying to influence American public opinion to help the Ukrainians. With a population of 50m people, Ukraine doesn't need manpower - it needs American firepower and money. Similarly, Russia doesn't need you to sign up with them - you're be more effective helping to influence the US into *not* helping Ukraine with firepower and money.
“I find it interesting that over time, conservatives and liberals are coming to essentially the same conclusion on foreign adventures.”
“If you want peace, Prepare for war.” Vegetius, Rome
Conservatives know that a strong, prepared military, and the will to use it, is the only way to secure peace.
Liberals not only dislike war, but willfully ignore the causes of it, therefore, they stumble towards it blindly, like now.
So, do I as a voter get a say or are those who have served and been honorably discharged not allowed to vote when the subject is sending troops somewhere?
“With a population of 50m people, Ukraine doesn’t need manpower - it needs American firepower and money.”
With a pop of 50 million, what they need is a will to stand up for themselves.
As events have shown, other than a few hundred radicals from the west of Ukraine, there isn’t much stomach, or support, for that.
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