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Air Force general backs A-10 retention
Tucson Daily Star ^ | Joe Ferguson

Posted on 04/16/2014 8:12:40 AM PDT by SandRat

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To: SandRat

I’ve heard the argument that the A-10 is too costly, because of its age, to maintain and supply with parts. If that’s so, how come we’re still flying the B-52 and have no plans to retire it?


21 posted on 04/16/2014 8:40:42 AM PDT by jumpingcholla34
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To: SandRat

Original unit cost, about $12 million. For the work they do, an outstanding value. Modify it, add some smaller arms as well, and we taxpayers would get our money’s worth. Even if we spent $10 million per aircraft for upgrades, or 425 million to manufacture new ones, we would have an outstanding value.


22 posted on 04/16/2014 8:41:02 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: jumpingcholla34

“the A-10 is too costly, because of its age, to maintain and supply with parts.”

Even then, compare it to the F-35 parts and maintenance per hour. I bet the A-10 is 1/10th the cost of the F-22 or F-35.


23 posted on 04/16/2014 8:41:50 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: SandRat

Warthog ping!


24 posted on 04/16/2014 8:43:37 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Since the US Air Force has long hated the “grubby” role of Close Air Support, the US would initially shun them until they needed them.

My Military-Improvement Plan:

  1. Get rid of the Air Force, either bringing back the Army Air Corps or augmenting the States's Air National Guard.
    (Because there is no Constitutional provision for an Air Force.)
  2. End the standing Army; there's a reason that the Founders limited the Army's funding to two years in the Constitution:
    Because they wanted the Army to basically be commissioned to do an operation, whether protecting border-towns from Indians or going to war.

25 posted on 04/16/2014 8:45:58 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Tenacious 1

Yes, I know him, the guy that hit the trees. . .if he is the guy that was flying at that time with the Maryland Guard.

When he hit the trees he called out on the radio, calling his flight lead by saying; “Hey, lead, I just hit a bunch of trees.”

The normally very busy ATC frequency went silent. . .as you can imagine.

The A-10. . .the “Fist of Gawd” when it strafes.


26 posted on 04/16/2014 8:47:07 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: OneWingedShark

And F-15E’s for the heavy lifting deep strike.


27 posted on 04/16/2014 8:48:21 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: CodeToad

>> “the A-10 is too costly, because of its age, to maintain and supply with parts.”
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> Even then, compare it to the F-35 parts and maintenance per hour. I bet the A-10 is 1/10th the cost of the F-22 or F-35.

You’re probably right — but then, from what I’ve heard at least the F-22 did the job it was designed for: air superiority.
(Whereas the F-35 is an amazing failure.)


28 posted on 04/16/2014 8:48:26 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SandRat

I’ve never seen an A-10, nor a warthog. But I have seen an A-1 Skyraider,up close and personal, aka Spad. These two planes are of the same mettle. The Spad has been around since the late 40s, and served into the 80s. Two Spads got the first Mig kill in Nam. Can you imagine what that Mig driver thought when 12 .50s opened up on him? The A-10 should definitely be kept in service.


29 posted on 04/16/2014 8:48:43 AM PDT by Rannug ("all enemies, foreign and domestic")
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To: ryan71

They used to build them right up the road from me in Hagerstown, MD!


30 posted on 04/16/2014 8:49:32 AM PDT by catman67
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To: OneWingedShark

End the standing Army?
You would be re-commissioning it the following week when our enemies are on our doorstep.


31 posted on 04/16/2014 8:49:32 AM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: CodeToad

Fact is, the USAF fighter mafia has been trying to rid themselves of the A-10 since it was fielded.


32 posted on 04/16/2014 8:52:13 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Hulka
And F-15E’s for the heavy lifting deep strike.

Ah, yes: Deep Strike.
I was thinking more a localized battle where, depending on how deep the strike is, could be of questionable impact.

33 posted on 04/16/2014 8:53:27 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SandRat

This is critical mission requirement.

We need somewhat smaller slow flying durable weapons drones to eventuality replace these as the world eventually moves into the changed battlefields functional railguns are about to create. Until such craft are being fielded, we need these.

Perhaps the state of Texas might buy these for the Texas State Guard.


34 posted on 04/16/2014 8:56:50 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: OneWingedShark
"... from what I’ve heard at least the F-22 did the job it was designed for: air superiority."

Really? The F22 has "fired shots in anger" and completely overwhelmed the enemy with no losses? When exactly?

" (Whereas the F-35 is an amazing failure.)"

Based on what, exactly? Testing is ongoing, and capability is being achieved. The fleet has surpassed 15k flt hours, and is moving forward...please define "amazing failure".

The program has had some resets, but how does that make the aircraft an "amazing failure"?

35 posted on 04/16/2014 8:57:23 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Ghost of SVR4
End the standing Army?

Yes — that includes the hoards of Federal Agents.

You would be re-commissioning it the following week when our enemies are on our doorstep.

And then they'd have a valid reason for it.

But what I'd like to do would be to offer the existing enlisted the chance to continue their contract by teaching the civilians of the several states their trade; that is, to make 'militiaman' so common a role that the current media attempts to paint 'militia' as kooks will be laughable in the future. (This is actually the only way to really protect the general citizen from terrorism: give him the skills and tools to operate as a military force.)

36 posted on 04/16/2014 8:57:36 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: elcid1970

The biggest band of A-10 haters has always been the AF fighter mafia who don’t consider the A-10 and its piolots to be “real” fighter pilots because the plane is too slow and ugly. They’ve been pushing for years to have an F-16 variant take over the job.


37 posted on 04/16/2014 8:58:02 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Hulka

Either it’s a small world or it’s happened more than once. lol.

Is it safer to crash an A-10 or eject in the event that the plane will no longer fly? Do pilots debate this?


38 posted on 04/16/2014 9:02:34 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: Puppage

Warthog —

That’s the problem, mooselimes don’t like any form of pork.


39 posted on 04/16/2014 9:08:23 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (You can count my felonies by looking at my FR replies.)
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To: RJS1950

As a UH-1H driver I remember rotary wing aviators being referred to as “machine operators” and not really pilots by Lt. Roger Ramjet & the fighter jockeys.

Warthog pilots didn’t feel that way IIRC. And the fighter mafia wouldn’t have liked my Dad. As an infantry soldier, he taught that every other military activity ultimately supports the infantry, whether it’s a satellite, a ship, an aircraft, the artillery, or a tactical vehicle.

And just what is the stall speed of an F-16, anyway? Close air support is not for the faint of heart.


40 posted on 04/16/2014 9:11:20 AM PDT by elcid1970
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