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Nevada Cattlemen’s Association gives statement on rancher Bundy
Las Vegas Review Journal ^ | April 16, 2014 | By KEITH ROGERS

Posted on 04/16/2014 5:42:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

While distancing itself from the legal issues that prompted the Bureau of Land Management to round up Bunkerville rancher Cliven Bundy’s range cattle then release hundreds of them as the threat of violence loomed, the conservative Nevada Cattlemen’s Association issued a statement Wednesday that sympathizes with Bundy.

“The situation in Nevada stands as an example (of) the federal agencies’ steady trend toward elevating environmental and wildlife issues over livestock grazing,” reads the statement from Ron Torell, the cattlemen’s group president.

The statement adds that ranchers like Bundy, who graze livestock on multiple-use public lands, which include habitat for the threatened desert tortoise and other federally protected species, “have found themselves with their backs against the wall as, increasingly, federal regulations have infringed on their public land grazing rights and the multiple-use management principle.”

“This is not only devastating to individual ranching families; it is also causing rural communities in the West to (wither) on the vine. In the West, one in every two acres is owned by the federal government,” the Nevada Cattlemen’s Association statement notes. “Therefore, the integrity of the laws protecting productive multiple use is paramount to the communities that exist there.”

The group contends that the Endangered Species Act and other such laws “are being implemented in a way that are damaging to our rights and to our Western families and communities. In Bundy’s case the designation of his grazing area as a critical habitat for the endangered desert tortoise gave the BLM the rationale they needed to order a 500% decrease in his cattle numbers. There never was any scientific proof that cattle had historically harmed the desert tortoise.”

The BLM halted its roundup Saturday as gun-toting militia and protesters in support of Bundy converged on a corral near Mesquite where government cowboys were preparing...

(Excerpt) Read more at reviewjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; bundyranch; cattlemen; nevada; ranching; sympathetic
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1 posted on 04/16/2014 5:42:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

The government is deliberately acting in contravention of the Federal Land Policy and Management Act (FLPMA) of 1976. The people of the West need to stand up in opposition to their organized criminal activity.


2 posted on 04/16/2014 5:45:47 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

This particular government is truly for sale for the benefit of the Friends Of Obama. If you didn’t pay enough to gain admission than you are an Enemy of Obama.

And the MSM sits there....reporting garbage.


3 posted on 04/16/2014 5:47:51 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: Jim Robinson

1866 Water Law/ USC CHAPTER 15 §661

U.S. v. Estate of E. Wayne Hage


4 posted on 04/16/2014 5:48:01 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45 (Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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To: Jim Robinson
So, they hold that the tortoise is not harmed by grazing but won't take a position on the listing and subsequent rulings?

Typical trade association, a bunch of cowardly weasels playing musical chairs with FedGov running the sound.

5 posted on 04/16/2014 5:51:01 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Jim Robinson

NOW they issue a statement


6 posted on 04/16/2014 5:51:46 PM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: Jim Robinson

Absent all of this is, as always when around liberals, any common sense. For example, in the range land that the BLM has been steadily working on closing to all grazing for nearly a generation, to supposedly protect a desert turtle, the common sense question is: If the land was much more heavily grazed in the past, how was it that there are any turtles there today? Wouldn’t they have been wiped out in the past by the very grazing that the BLM wishes to quash?

Then again, the same story applies to lots of pet projects - owls, for example, in a logging forest. Somehow these creatures have survived (and thrived) in the environment which now must be changed (eliminate logging, eliminate grazing, eliminate ATVs) so that they can survive - well, umm, how are they there today if those activities actually drastically impacted on them? Oh, right, they didn’t.

But hey, there’s millions and millions to be made off of closing public land and then letting the protected few come in later (special use projects like say a huge solar farm...)


7 posted on 04/16/2014 5:52:08 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: dontreadthis

Cattle cannot graze on those lands for fear of harming the tortoise.

But.....If you pay the fines we are levying on you, you can graze your cattle there.

Got it.


8 posted on 04/16/2014 5:54:35 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: Jim Robinson

***In Bundy’s case the designation of his grazing area as a critical habitat for the endangered desert tortoise gave the BLM the rationale they needed to order a 500% decrease in his cattle numbers.***

Maybe this is Obama’s way to decrease cows from passing gas, decrease the cows!


9 posted on 04/16/2014 5:56:29 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Better late than never. Really it is.


10 posted on 04/16/2014 5:57:36 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Jim Robinson

The Fed judge that signed this order needs to be brought to heel. When he signed this he knew it wasn’t right and it could blow up into a political hot potato. He wrote it as a permissive order for the BLM to carryout with the Sheriffs help. Given contracts, Federal land, and asset forfeiture it would have been the U.S. Marshall’s Service to service and enforce. But, the judge did not want the court to be involved and therefore gave it to BLM so it would no be seen as a court action. This is telling and this judge should be questioned. Federal judges are political beast. Was he compromised by Dingy Harry? What other similar orders did he sign in the past? Did Harry push his confirmation to the Federal bench through?


11 posted on 04/16/2014 5:58:15 PM PDT by DeWalt (Times are more like they used to be than they are today.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Wiki:

“The United States recognizes two types of water rights. Although use and overlap varies over time and by state, the western arid states generally follow the doctrine of prior appropriation, while water rights for the eastern states follow riparian law.”

“The legal details vary from state to state; however, the general principle is that water rights are unconnected to land ownership, and can be sold or mortgaged like other property. The first person to use a quantity of water from a water source for a beneficial use has the right to continue to use that quantity of water for that purpose. Subsequent users can use the remaining water for their own beneficial purposes provided that they do not impinge on the rights of previous users.”


12 posted on 04/16/2014 6:00:22 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Aria
How many ranchers are left in Nevada?

Why not point out that the Feds "own" approx. 85% of NEVADA? After all they are not a regional association but a State Association.

13 posted on 04/16/2014 6:00:52 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: DeWalt

Lloyd D. George
United States District Judge


14 posted on 04/16/2014 6:05:06 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Carry_Okie

You have to realize, most of them also have grazing contracts than can revised or revoked, should they piss off the BLM overlords.


15 posted on 04/16/2014 6:06:39 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
But.....If you pay the fines we are levying on you, you can graze your cattle there.

You forgot-

OR

reduce the amount of cattle in compliance with the Endangered Species Act and have your herd number drop so low, you violate the range rights stipulation in your property's Deed and lose access to the water altogether.

16 posted on 04/16/2014 6:06:57 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Paladin2
"George was nominated by President Ronald Reagan on April 18, 1984, to a seat vacated by Roger D. Foley. He was confirmed by the United States Senate on April 30, 1984, and received his commission on May 3, 1984. He served as chief judge from 1992-1997. He assumed senior status on December 1, 1997."

City Boy.

17 posted on 04/16/2014 6:07:22 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Jim Robinson

So where’s ‘This Land Is Your Land’ Brucy Springsteen and the rest of the ‘music industry’ on this matter? Didn’t they come out for the ‘farmers’ years ago? *Crickets*


18 posted on 04/16/2014 6:09:01 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: DeWalt

I’m wondering why it is not right for the Bundys to run
cattle on that piece of federal land, but it will be just
fine for a Chinese Solar Company to put their solar pieces
on it? I imagine putting the company there, the company
will not have to PAY TAXES for some years, as the Bundy family did until 1993.


19 posted on 04/16/2014 6:10:31 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: dontreadthis

Better late than never...


20 posted on 04/16/2014 6:11:41 PM PDT by GOPJ (MSNBC reporters couldn't spot a criminal if he was at the company Christmas party.)
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To: DeWalt

I’ve noted in the stuff I’ve seen, that the mention of the Hage case includes who the judge is, and you can find the case info... but I’ve not seen anything saying who this judge is, or where the case documentation exists. My opinion is that the BLM’s requests might have been a practice of a fraud on the court if he didn’t have the Hage case ruling presented with the request, in determining Bundy’s claims were “without merit”.

Anyone know who the judge is, what the case is, where the documents are ?


21 posted on 04/16/2014 6:15:05 PM PDT by Sense
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To: Jim Robinson

While this cartoon was originally intended to depict the Soviet-Finnish Winter War, it can easily represent what is happening here in the US.

22 posted on 04/16/2014 6:18:00 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: dontreadthis

MOO


23 posted on 04/16/2014 6:18:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
Nothing for them to profit by

Besides, Mr. Bundy is the white man they hate. Now if he was of Indian ancestry, hmmmmmm.

Yes Martha, bias and prejudice is alive and well in good ole USA.

24 posted on 04/16/2014 6:21:52 PM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: Jim Robinson

A friend of mine told me that Texas has no land owned by the federal government. Don’t know if that is true but this was interesting.

http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/info/socioeconomic/states/texas.html

Looks like their are no federal grazing or timber interests in Texas.


25 posted on 04/16/2014 6:29:56 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Stonewall Jackson

......well, let’s see, add about ten troopers, some attack dogs, stun guns, her pregnant, snipers in the background, machine guns, pistols on hip, some cool Raybans............uh, hmmm............yeah, that ought to be about do it!


26 posted on 04/16/2014 6:38:14 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Carry_Okie

Sounds to me like they might be afraid they’ll be the next Bundy. Wonder how many of them utilize BLM property to graze and water their herds...


27 posted on 04/16/2014 6:40:30 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Paladin2

Thanks


28 posted on 04/16/2014 6:44:00 PM PDT by DeWalt (Times are more like they used to be than they are today.)
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To: Sense

http://www.thewildlifenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Order-US-v.-Bundy-7-9-13.pdf


29 posted on 04/16/2014 6:46:31 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: EQAndyBuzz

With four stomachs, they can have some significant belches too.


30 posted on 04/16/2014 6:48:41 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Carry_Okie
“The most complete data is from the Beaver Dam Mountains. Woodbury and Hardy reported a tortoise population density of 150 per square mile in 1948. BLM reduced cattle grazing a few years later and eliminated cattle in 1970. Coombs reported a tortoise density of 39 per square mile in 1974. In these 26 years cattle use was reduced 100 percent and tortoise numbers were reduced 74 percent.

“These tortoises were doing so poorly a veterinarian, Dr. Jarchow, was consulted. He reported all six specimens were suffering from osteoporosis caused by a protein deficiency in their diet. Dr. Jarchow examined five specimens from the same mountains that shared their range with cattle. He reported these specimens were all healthy and well nourished.

“The historical record proves conclusively that tortoise thrive when cattle are on the range with them and without cattle grazing they are always malnourished and unhealthy and their numbers plummet.

http://www.vinsuprynowicz.com/?p=80


31 posted on 04/16/2014 6:50:58 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Slyfox

Hmmm....

if so, then the feds don’t have any “hooks” from that quarter, on the ranchers in Texas.


32 posted on 04/16/2014 6:55:12 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you for continuing to keep us updated on this most important matter.

During the course of the day I am not able to hear or pull up the news, and for obvious reason, this standoff made history and I want to know how it is continuing to shake out.


33 posted on 04/16/2014 7:07:12 PM PDT by gettinolder
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To: Stonewall Jackson


34 posted on 04/16/2014 7:07:16 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Jim Robinson

35 posted on 04/16/2014 7:10:08 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Sense

Found it: http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/nevada/nvdce/2:2012cv00804/87613/35


36 posted on 04/16/2014 7:22:58 PM PDT by Sense
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Sort of like carbon credits.

The reality is, they didn't want his money, they wanted him out. Which is why he stopped paying them in the first place.

37 posted on 04/16/2014 7:35:20 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: Jim Robinson
“The situation in Nevada stands as an example (of) the federal agencies’ steady trend toward elevating environmental and wildlife issues over livestock grazing,” reads the statement from Ron Torell, the cattlemen’s group president.

I stand with Bundy. Having said that, in Colorado, these are some of the same folks who groom their land for elk and won't let me hunt there if I don't have $8000 for the tags that the DOW gives them to do with as they please. They have, in many cases, made a deal with the devil after a fashion. I have had the red a$$ about that for years.

Now we are on the same page about being cut out from access.

38 posted on 04/16/2014 7:36:15 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: Psalm 144
I imagined Sam Elliott reading that statement.

I feel better now.

39 posted on 04/16/2014 7:36:20 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: B4Ranch
Yep. I'm on it. Thanks for the reference.
40 posted on 04/16/2014 7:42:58 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: B4Ranch

Good post!


41 posted on 04/16/2014 7:43:37 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Jim Robinson
gave the BLM the rationale they needed to order a 500% decrease in his cattle numbers.

No quantity of anything in the universe can be decreased by more than 100%. Either the BLM is mathematically incompetant or the journalist is.

42 posted on 04/16/2014 8:19:54 PM PDT by bkopto (Free men are not equal. Equal men are not free.)
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To: MileHi

Which is why I don’t elk hunt. Deer hunting is going the same way


43 posted on 04/16/2014 8:30:42 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Cattle cannot graze on those lands for fear of harming the tortoise. But.....If you pay the fines we are levying on you, you can graze your cattle there.

A license is always just a piece of paper that allows you to do something illegal (once you've paid your "protection money" to the government).

44 posted on 04/16/2014 8:38:40 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
A license is always just a piece of paper that allows you to do something illegal (once you've paid your "protection money" to the government).

"We're both part of the same hypocrisy."

45 posted on 04/16/2014 8:42:35 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Aria

Obama is running the whole country the way Kwame Kilpatrick ran Detroit...pay to play.


46 posted on 04/16/2014 8:46:04 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (Shall Not Be Infringed)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

That was back when the Democrats were busy ‘saving the family farm’. We heard that line a lot up this way, and if they’d kept saving farms at the rate they were, there wouldn’t be one left. As it happened, many incorporated the family farm to avoid death taxes.


47 posted on 04/16/2014 9:36:59 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Jim Robinson

We can’t “eat local buy local” with the Feds running farms and ranchers out of business.


48 posted on 04/17/2014 12:16:18 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: redgolum
On some of the very large ranches in Los Animas county in southern CO, as the saying goes, there is more money in elk than there is in cattle.

Of course, the local DOW guy gets a personal invite to hunt every year so he and the ranchers are on pretty good terms....

49 posted on 04/17/2014 8:39:12 AM PDT by MileHi
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To: Jim Robinson

Does the “federally-protected” desert tortoise feed as many human beings as Bundy’s cattle do?

Nope.

So which one is more important. That’s an easy one.


50 posted on 04/17/2014 8:42:12 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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