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To: Piranha
Explain exactly where you get that idea?
3 posted on 04/17/2014 4:47:32 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

“Explain exactly where you get that idea?”

Once you let them stay and work that is AMNESTY, as they are now immune to punishment for BREAKING THE LAW.

Unfortunately Ted Cruz’s position is no different. The only thing stopping this crap from happening is that Cruz doesn’t want to give citizenship to these people, whereas the Democrats insist on it.

...but it doesn’t matter, we will be a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT country in two generations, and not for the better, if we don’t figure out a way to get the Illegals to go home.


5 posted on 04/17/2014 4:56:05 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Kaslin; Piranha; P-Marlowe
Permit those who have resided here for a while, who are without criminal records and are employed, to apply inside the U.S. for either a pathway to citizenship or legal residence.

This is where he gets it.

That said, a personal contact leads me to believe that the Chamber of Commerce is concerned only with the "immediate deportation" argument of many conservatives. Those conservatives have their point; it is inappropriate to have illegals here when we know they illegally entered the country. It is condoning illegal entry into the US.

The Chamber's argument is that the service, agriculture, and construction industries would collapse if illegals were "immediately removed." This, they say, would cause a depression level recession in the country until it was sorted out. They believe those industries are the location of so many illegals that it wouldn't be able to replace their jobs with able workers very quickly. They have a point. Any deportations, some of these people say, should take place over about a decade to allow for a gradual transition.

That is another of many excellent arguments for a bill that does one thing at a time (omnibus bills should be outlawed) and the first change must be total control of our borders, coasts, and visa programs.

With that simple step, everything else will eventually return to balance on its own. Stop the inflow and attrition will over time take care of everything else.

As for those illegals already here, green cards and pathways to citizenship are irrelevant. There is already a green card and immigration program. If they want one, then have them do it according to the current system. Their turn will eventually come up from their own side of the border, and then they'll be legal. It's true that some might find a way to apply on their side and return to this side while they wait. My sense is that no security program is absolute, so they always can gamble on making it through a 2nd time. Some might find a way to have someone else apply for them on their side while they stay on this side. We already have a worker verification program in place. If it's doing its job, then they are at risk.

So, the bottom line is this, we don't need a deportation program. All we need is a total control of borders, coasts, and visas program. Everything else will fall into place.

17 posted on 04/17/2014 5:20:52 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Kaslin
Permit those who have resided here for a while, who are without criminal records and are employed, to apply inside the U.S. for either a pathway to citizenship or legal residence.

Respectfully, just exactly what part of this sentence does not loudly SCREAM amnesty?

The very fact they came here illegally automatically makes them criminals with a yet-to-be-documented criminal record.

20 posted on 04/17/2014 5:22:47 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Kaslin
Explain exactly where you get that idea?

VDH has jumped the shark. Any legislation that allows the lawbreakers to stay and work here is amnesty. The proponents of amnesty are wont to create two choices: mass deportation or blanket amnesty. The former is obviously not practical operationally or politically so you are left with a blanket amnesty.

There are other alternatives. The lawbreakers did not get here overnight and won't leave overnight. Attrition thru enforcement works. There is no need or urgency to legalize the lawbreakers. When you reward something, you get more of it.

VDH is using the same arguments as the RINOs who supported the gang of 8 bill. It is surrender. And VDH fails to address the electoral impact of an amnesty or answer such questions as to whether those who are legalized will be able to sponsor their relatives to join them thru chain migration.

Very disappointing for the guy who authored Mexifornia.

33 posted on 04/17/2014 5:50:09 AM PDT by kabar
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