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No Mere Hate Crime
FrontPage Magazine ^ | April 17, 2014 | Matthew Vadum

Posted on 04/17/2014 7:24:04 AM PDT by SJackson

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1 posted on 04/17/2014 7:24:04 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson

The KKK dis-avowed his actions and that should say a lot when they think you are too Extreme.


2 posted on 04/17/2014 7:25:23 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: SJackson

This one has gone into the memory hole with lightning speed.

Just like that schoolyard spraying incident in Pittsburgh a few months ago.


3 posted on 04/17/2014 7:26:34 AM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: SJackson

Any mention that this guy is a big Rat anywhere?


4 posted on 04/17/2014 7:27:12 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: SJackson

In other words, this creep acted just as many Muslims would do given the chance.

So, where’s the concern about the world’s most sleezy religion? You know, the religion of pieces. The religion of hate. The religion of “you’d better become one of us....and never leave...or.....silence, I kill you.”


5 posted on 04/17/2014 7:27:46 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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The concept of a "hate crime", particularly when enforced selectively, does diminish the evil involved. As do specious charges of bias. Motivation should certainly be an issue in sentencing since it illuminates the possibility of recidivism, and in parole hearings, but killing three people is the crime here. It is not enhanced by the perps hatred, nor is it a lesser crime absent the hatred.

Some minor crimes might be an exception. Burning a cross in someones yard isn't littering or building an illegal campfire any more than it's arson. Swastikas on a Synagogue isn't the same as spray painting (not tagging) a garage. But in most states the are laws relating to intimidation which should cover this type of incident.

6 posted on 04/17/2014 7:29:44 AM PDT by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we donÂ’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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To: SJackson

A KKK shoots and kills only Christians in Jewish center attacks.


7 posted on 04/17/2014 7:32:32 AM PDT by sagar
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To: SJackson

Why is this crime worse than any other?


8 posted on 04/17/2014 7:34:28 AM PDT by Altura Ct. (i)
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Miller’s views aren’t markedly different from those held by Morsi, former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Islamic scholars, Louis Farrakhan, or President Obama’s longtime pastor, Jeremiah Wright. Their hatred is derived from a common, age-old bloodlust that, if not challenged, metastasizes in horrific ways. Unfortunately, the disease appears to be once again on the rise.

Very true.
9 posted on 04/17/2014 7:35:52 AM PDT by caligatrux (...some animals are more equal than others.)
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Actually, in this case, I think it is important that his act be considered an act of hate. Not just because of his KKK roots, but because of his roots as a Democrat.

If the KKK is a “hate organization”, then so is the Democrat party.

Importantly, it is remarkably easy to *prove* that the Democrat party is a “hate organization”, just by citing quotes made by prominent Democrats since the Civil War.

That the veneer of legitimacy is kept by the Democrat party is invariably due to their perfidious mendacity in pretending they are not a “hate organization”. But their members inability to keep their mouth shut, and even their political platform, and certainly their actions when in power, all clearly and objectively demonstrate that they are a “hate organization”.

Hate flows from the Democrat party like crime flows from a Mafia or criminal syndicate.

So yes, he did commit a hate crime. A Democrat hate crime. Just like so many other Democrat hate crimes committed each and every year.

They are done because of hate, and their intent is to hurt, and even kill people.


10 posted on 04/17/2014 7:39:41 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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Charging this murderer with a “hate crime” is offensive. It says that if he’d murdered a Muslim, a Jew, and a Christian because he hates everyone equally, we should give him a lighter sentence. Insane.

And it is a dark twisted irony that this Jew hater ended up killing two Protestants and a Catholic (not one Jew).


11 posted on 04/17/2014 7:49:53 AM PDT by DManA
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“A heinous atrocity”?

It was an old screwball who shot 3 Christians, 2 at a Jewish Comunity Center and 1 at an old folks home.

No folkig different than knockout gamers who pick their victims randomly.

The only thing that makes it riveting was the location.


12 posted on 04/17/2014 7:50:23 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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Excellent article. We need to get rid of “hate crimes” and recognize anti-Semitism as a form of sacrilege rather than simple ethnic bigotry.


13 posted on 04/17/2014 8:00:41 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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Change the penalty for mass murder to being burned alive or crucified and watch these acts of exhibitionism decrease to almost zero.

Unfortunately, I don’t trust leftists with that kind of power...


14 posted on 04/17/2014 8:05:56 AM PDT by QuisCustodiet1776 (Live free or die.)
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This looked like some water-carrying at first, then I read this:
The bar has been set so low that refusing to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex couple is a hate crime in the eyes of many left-wingers. Miller’s acts hardly belong in the same category.
Thanks SJackson.
15 posted on 04/17/2014 8:10:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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> Miller’s views aren’t markedly different from those held by Morsi, former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Islamic scholars, Louis Farrakhan, or President Obama’s longtime pastor, Jeremiah Wright...


16 posted on 04/17/2014 8:11:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (And Ron Paul. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Altura Ct.
Why is this crime worse than any other?

I presume you mean any other triple homicide, in which case it isn't. The hatred of the killer, particularly organized hatred, is a separate issue. Despicable, worth of condemnation, but as Dershowitz notes, in America, not an issue for prosecution. And hate crime laws make speech a crime. I do think it's a legitimate sentencing issue, but not formally.

In other words, even in America, with its extraordinary protection for free speech and freedom of conscience you can be prosecuted for your ideas and beliefs. No matter how odious or unpopular those ideas and beliefs may be, it is unjust for courts to pass judgment on them.

17 posted on 04/17/2014 8:30:37 AM PDT by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we donÂ’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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Meant to include you in 17. I think heinous fits, it's fits knockout gamers too, as their conduct collectively disrupts the social fabric. But their motivations are not a crime, rather their actions.

Interestingly demonstrating the absurdity of the selectivity of hate crime prosecutions, though antisemitism is down nationally as it has been for several years, violent antisemitic attacks tripled in New York city last year. They're not hate crimes because the Jews attacked are also whites, and the attackers are black. Or you might recall the murder and shooting at the Jewish Community Center in Seattle a few years ago. No hate crime charges, and the jury hung on everything but the murder, he was acquitted, because the Muslim who planned the attack in detail had mental issues. Didn't plead insanity, but the jury was sympathetic. Convicted in the second trial cause the moron didn't know his conversations in prison were taped. Never brag to Mom about the honor to Allah of killing Jews when you're talking through a prison phone. Crime didn't change, but suddenly he was charged with a hate crime.

18 posted on 04/17/2014 8:38:22 AM PDT by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we donÂ’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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“Dershowitz seemed to suggest that the very idea of a hate crime is constitutionally dubious. It’s an Orwellian concept wherein the ideological component of an ordinary crime is singled out for special punishment over and above the underlying crime itself.”

Hate crimes lead to hate speech which, in turn, leads to offensive speech which, when prosecuted as it is in Canada and much of Europe, leads to the effective repeal of our First Amendment.


19 posted on 04/17/2014 9:11:00 AM PDT by JimSEA
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That answers my planned question of what kind of attention this is getting in the old media.


20 posted on 04/17/2014 9:12:25 AM PDT by uncitizen
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