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1 posted on 04/18/2014 3:33:09 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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Does Traditional College Debate Reinforce White Privilege?

No.


2 posted on 04/18/2014 3:35:33 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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Fo’ shizzle my debatin’ nizzles!


3 posted on 04/18/2014 3:41:17 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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So rational thought and argumentation goes out the window in order to pander to these “winners?”

No. Just no.


4 posted on 04/18/2014 3:44:29 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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As a former high school debater, I found the article interesting at several levels. On the surface, I’m astounded that the judges have awarded teams with confrontational approaches to the debate that ignore the stated question. In addition, a prime directive within the debate context was that debate was a combination of persuasive evidence and argumentation skills which included framing the discussion using logic and rhetoric. Nowhere within that was personal experience or anecdote considered to be an element that would lead to success in the debate.


5 posted on 04/18/2014 3:49:57 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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I’m 56 years old. When do I get my white privilege?


6 posted on 04/18/2014 3:53:37 AM PDT by Old Yeller (In Latin, the word sinister means left. Which is appropriate for left-wingers.)
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They’re just peeved that “You Rasis” isn’t considered a valid argument.


7 posted on 04/18/2014 3:57:07 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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Well if you axed me.


9 posted on 04/18/2014 3:59:29 AM PDT by AU72
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two Towson University students, Ameena Ruffin and Korey Johnson, became the first African-American women to win a national college debate tournament, for which the resolution asked whether the U.S. president’s war powers should be restricted. Rather than address the resolution straight on, Ruffin and Johnson, along with other teams of African-Americans, attacked its premise. The more pressing issue, they argued, is how the U.S. government is at war with poor black communities.

This is a confused piece of writing. The two Towson students didn't "attack the premise." They free-associated off the words "war powers" and simply changed the subject. I imagine their opponents spent the time trying to bring the debate back to the topic at hand, while the Towsonettes rambled on about any number of extraneous issues. Why the judges would tolerate and reward this is beyond me.

11 posted on 04/18/2014 4:28:54 AM PDT by sphinx
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No....it shows what happens with hard work and good ethics.


12 posted on 04/18/2014 4:41:39 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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Well, it does encourage black people to “think white.”

But if there is such a thing as “thinking white” rather than “thinking human” it is non whites who are to blame for dropping the ball. The old idealist song “He Ain’t Heavy, He’s My Brother” has been transmogrified into “I’m Gonna Be As Heavy As I Can Because I Deserve It, Now Heave, Brother!”


13 posted on 04/18/2014 4:44:41 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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There is no white privilege, only accomplishment.


15 posted on 04/18/2014 4:53:00 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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“...the resolution asked whether the U.S. president’s war powers should be restricted. Rather than address the resolution straight on, Ruffin and Johnson, along with other teams of African-Americans, attacked its premise. The more pressing issue, they argued, is how the U.S. government is at war with poor black communities.”

Since they didnt actually address the issue, the debate was NOT won on the argument but on affirmative action and political correctness. Another academic institution destroyed by the elimination of standards.


16 posted on 04/18/2014 5:00:56 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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Certainly it does. These new debaters are experiencing the end point of the usefulness of their debating “skills,” while white students go on to use traditional skills in the courtroom and the boardroom, neither venue of which tolerates such self-indulgent nonsense.

The privilege is a derivative of being white, i.e. the inability to rely on verbal violence and chaos for a momentary win.


17 posted on 04/18/2014 5:02:28 AM PDT by anton
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“Fuck the time!”

I believe I detect an ancestral flash of future President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.

Kinda makes you go all weepy, don’t it!


18 posted on 04/18/2014 5:03:49 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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About 50 years ago a moment of curiosity led me to attend the tryouts for my high school debate team. When the teacher told us we would be assigned to either the “Pro” or the “Con” side of the argument I asked, “What if we don’t believe in that position?”

The teacher replied, “That does not matter. We are here to teach debating skill. Whether or not you believe the premise to be true is irrelevant.” So I got up and walked out.

If these “community activists/rappers” want to demonstrate that they are the best collegiate debaters in the land, assign them to argue FOR the topic, “States Rights, as enumerated in the US Constitution, required that the South Secede from the Union”. (have a good electrician standing by - a lot of folks will be “blowing fuses”!)


20 posted on 04/18/2014 5:06:03 AM PDT by BwanaNdege
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It should be clear that in this context “white” is a proxy for conservative Judeo-Christian values (or what is left of them), and “not white” or “of color” is a proxy for socialist. Moreover, the issue is to purge their society of everything connected with this “white” with the assumption that what remains will be ideologically harmonious.

To the extent that this is being advocated by people who are themselves Caucasian, they are of the mindset that they have made it clear they repudiate conservative Judeo-Christian values, maybe even to the extent they participate in public displays of repudiation by protesting what they call “white privilege.”

Liberal self-loathing has driven them all mad.


21 posted on 04/18/2014 5:07:32 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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The irrefutable rebuttal is that black subcultures are poor by choice.

Were the members of the subculture, especially the urban subcultures, to decide they wanted a different life, all they have to do is to just make the change. They are free to do so.


22 posted on 04/18/2014 5:07:33 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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A few years back I watched a NY state History Day skit competition. The students were given a very broad topic so you could approach it in the way you wished. A group of middle school students did an awesome job explaining the monetary system in an 18th judicial setting. I stayed and watched all of the groups because I was what they deemed “qualified” to be a judge and thought of maybe being on the panel the following year. No way! A group of Muslim students did a presentation comparing the way Muslims were treated in the U.S. after 9/11 to Jews being held in Auschwitz (complete with barb wire and guards with guns) and they were
awarded runner up unanimously, and the winners were a presentation on the Stonewall “uprising€ acted out as if gays were on the verge of being exterminated. I was appalled! The historical papers category had papers mostly written by cheating parents that all had huge liberal bias and the winners in the display category would have needed to work at Apple to have made what they did. No honesty or integrity! I was out! I even saw some very good conservative displays and papers being looked over and quickly set aside. The winners strayed wayyyy off even a broad topic, and sources weren't checked, which was suppose to be a big part of the scoring.
26 posted on 04/18/2014 5:26:48 AM PDT by MacMattico
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“At one point during Lee’s rebuttal, the clock ran out but he refused to yield the floor. “Fuck the time!” he yelled”

THAT tells you everything you need to know about where our ‘culture’ is going.

It is apparent in all and everything.


27 posted on 04/18/2014 5:27:14 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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“White privilege” - The “privilege” to realize early on that working class whites have to work twice as hard as everyone else due to self hating whites and political correctness.


29 posted on 04/18/2014 5:27:59 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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