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To: Longbow1969
EU/US/Nato expansion has marched right along , defying the agreements this would not occur. So of course Putin's been prepared for this. He knew once Ukraine, or for that matter as well Georgia, comes into play he'd have to do something to arrest it. He's been warning the EU/US ever since they went after the Baltics and now others in their pipeline....heck even before that. So what did they expect going after Ukraine??? A hand out?

However Nato wasn't prepared for Putin to act as he did.....nor took into account the Nato Member states were not enlarging their military camps to protect themselves as was required by Eu/Nato agreements. Now they're all scrambling to determine what to do, and of course relying on the US for their nations protection because they failed to do so themselves.

I recall at the Atlantic meetings the consistent voice that the US had to do more, and yet we already have been doing far more than our share of the heavy lifting. Nato is nothing but a propped up extension of our military.

So of course all these Nato members were bawling and screaming the US had to do something....

We are sooooo being used, and drained, by EU's quest for power as a Nation State of it's own because our government is in lockstep with the EU's agenda ....

85 posted on 05/02/2014 6:29:31 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

You know we probably agree on some things. I hate the EU, and I hate how the Europeans have used us - pressing America to pay for their defense while they built social welfare states that are crumbling (though they’ll continue kicking the can as long as they possible). To give you an idea of how much I hate the EU/Eurozone, if I were Greece I would have simply defaulted and quit it altogether, took the short term hit, went back to their old currency and I’m guessing we may both agree they’d be far better off today.

Still, look at the big picture. The Ukraine is roughly 75% ethnic Ukrainian and has been under the boot of it’s giant neighbor Russia for a very long time. However we may feel about it, the average Ukrainian (particularly ethnic Ukrainian) has had far more recent bad experiences with Russia than they have had with the EU/NATO. Ever wonder why so many of these old Russian satellites are desperate to join the EU even as it slowly collapses under it’s own weight? Because they fear Russia more. Many of these Eastern European/Baltic nations know EU policies suck, but would gladly join if it will keep the Russians at bay. That’s just how it is.


87 posted on 05/02/2014 6:40:14 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: caww; Longbow1969
EU/US/Nato expansion has marched right along , defying the agreements this would not occur.

There was no agreement between NATO and Russia wherein NATO would refuse to accept former Soviet-bloc states who wanted to join. And why shouldn't they be allowed to join? After all, Russia has a long history of invading its weaker, smaller neighbors. How do you think Russia got so big in the first place? An agreement with NATO would require all of NATO formerly recognizing it. There is no such thing as a secret agreement or an "understanding" that is in any way binding.

He's been warning the EU/US ever since they went after the Baltics and now others in their pipeline....heck even before that. So what did they expect going after Ukraine??? A hand out?

IOW, you are claiming that Russia has the right to bully, rape and murder countries that do not want to be forever trapped under the Comintern's control.

We are sooooo being used, and drained, by EU's quest for power as a Nation State of it's own because our government is in lockstep with the EU's agenda ....

Notice that in all of this rambling nonsense you never once actually consider the opinion of the Ukrainians themselves. To you, they are a non-entity, to be butchered by Russia if they hold to the wrong opinion.

88 posted on 05/02/2014 6:44:01 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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