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As a loyal and faithful Catholic, I do not think popes are “infallible”. ESPECIALLY THIS ONE!!!!!!!!!!

I’m tired of his Marxist pronouncements. Cannot distinguish between him and BHO when it comes to economic policy.


6 posted on 05/09/2014 7:18:29 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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I think this Pope just stepped on his you know what!


9 posted on 05/09/2014 7:20:04 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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As a loyal and faithful Catholic, I do not think popes are “infallible”. ESPECIALLY THIS ONE!!!!!!!!!!

The dogma of papal infallibility only applies when the Pope makes a pronouncement on Church doctrine.

This isn't Church doctrine. This is a brain-fart that was verbally expressed.

16 posted on 05/09/2014 7:22:07 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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I'm tired of his Marxist pronouncements

As long as he sticks to religous issues, it's in his realm. But this is a political issue. If he is saying that employees of the Church should get a raise, that works.

31 posted on 05/09/2014 7:31:04 AM PDT by grania
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As a loyal and faithful Catholic, I do not think popes are “infallible”.

Does anyone else see a problem here?
52 posted on 05/09/2014 7:42:51 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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You don't understand the doctrine of infallibility. It is rarely invoked and we as Catholics need to understand that not everything the Pope utters is infallible. That is where most people have the most misunderstanding.
A doctrine proposed by a pope as his own opinion, not solemnly proclaimed as a doctrine of the Church, may be rejected as false, even if it is on a matter of faith and morals, and even more any view he expresses on other matters.
68 posted on 05/09/2014 7:56:13 AM PDT by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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I miss Benedict!


90 posted on 05/09/2014 8:10:14 AM PDT by ohioman
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Good for you for being loyal and faithful, but I'm pretty much in the free agent camp at this point. Marxism has taken over and destroyed Catholicism (look at Notre Dame), just like it destroys everything that it touches.
106 posted on 05/09/2014 8:21:42 AM PDT by Major Matt Mason ("Journalism is dead. All news is suspect." - Noamie)
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About 400 years ago you would have been burned for saying that.


141 posted on 05/09/2014 9:07:12 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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"Cannot distinguish between him and BHO when it comes to economic policy"

An that is why he is an enemy of the American people.

Thomas Jefferson is smiling with one of those "I told you so" moments in his grave.

166 posted on 05/09/2014 9:55:15 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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I’m tired of [the Pope's] Marxist pronouncements. Cannot distinguish between him and BHO when it comes to economic policy.

I, too, am tired of this crap from the Pope. I've been giving him the benefit of the doubt to this point, but his pronouncements are too consistent with Marxist dogma, period.

The Lord did not intend for Man to setup an authoritarian version of His Kingdom on Earth. If he had intended to do so, he would have said it. And I would have opposed Him.

As such, any attempts to endorse such involuntary redistribution of wealth by government should be met with the same derision which any run-of-the-mill authoritarian Communism merits.

Talk about fallible! I don't care how well-meaning the Pope's rhetoric is, it's both misguided and wrong.

Apologists come forth!

277 posted on 05/10/2014 6:38:25 PM PDT by sargon
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“LEGITIMATE REDISTRIBUTION’ OF WEALTH BY THE STATE” IS AN OXIMORON.

Papal infallibility is in the realm of faith and morals, not in political or economic matters.

Argentinean “pope Francis has frequently lashed out at the injustices of capitalism and the global economic system that excludes so much of humanity.”

Isn’t it a fact that the countries that exclude the capitalistic system are so poor for just that reason? Even Communist China, by embracing capitalism, is becoming an economic super power and has begun eliminating the famines and abject poverty endemic to it for centuries.

The same is being seen in India, South Korea and Taiwan. 60 years ago, the last two of the aforementioned countries were poorer and had less natural resources than most of the Latin American countries, but they embraced capitalism and became a prosperous part of the first world community.

What is it that His Holiness is advocating in order to eliminate poverty in the World? Jesus Christ said that the poor will always be with us, but, Jesus was not alluding only to economic poverty, He was also referring to moral and spiritual poverty as well.

Since the beginning of his election, Pope Francis has been involved in a continuous barrage of misrepresentations and attacks against the free enterprise system, which together with political and religious freedom, are the main tenets of modern capitalism. In spite of its defects and shortcomings, no system in human history has reduced poverty more in the world and helped to raise the standards of living for Humanity as a whole, than the free enterprise capitalistic system.

Thus far, I have yet to hear Pope Francis condemn the socialist regimes that continue to keep their people subjugated and in a state of misery, as is the case in Cuba and Venezuela, and these are just two of the many other well known apprentices of tyrannical socialist regimes in Latin America.

Is Pope Francis’ Peronist vision of a third way between Socialism and Capitalism the way to eliminate poverty in the world? Peronism, a populist hybrid between Socialism and Fascism reduced Argentina, a very rich country with a numerous well educated middle class, to the present waste basket state it is today.

Isn’t the so called “redistribution of wealth” one of the main tenets of the Marxist doctrine and a slogan used ad nauseam by demagogues throughout history?

As soon as he took power, Pope Francis has been trying to rescue the Marxist liberation theology from the dust bin of history where it was relegated by Pope John Paul II and Benedict XVI, a movement that supported the Marxist guerrillas in Latin America and was used by the Cuban regime to expand communism in this hemisphere.

It seems that Pope Francis disagree with the Magisterium since It is a long time settled matter the repudiation of socialism by the Church.

In Quod Apostolici Muneris, the great Leo XIII condemned socialism as a Satanic counterfeit of the Gospel.

Pope Pius XI affirmed in his Encyclical letter “Divini Redemptoris on Atheistic Communism”:

58. “See to it, Venerable Brethren, that the Faithful do not allow t hemselves to be deceived! Communism is intrinsically wrong, and no one who would save Christian civilization may collaborate with it in any undertaking whatsoever. Those who permit themselves to be deceived into lending their aid towards the triumph of Communism in their own country, will be the first to fall victims of their error. And the greater the antiquity and grandeur of the Christian civilization in the regions where Communism successfully penetrates, so much more devastating will be the hatred displayed by the godless.”

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_19031937_divini-redemptoris_en.html

By orders of Pope John Paul II, Cardinal Ratzinger, a prefect of the CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH, issued the following INSTRUCTION ON CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE “THEOLOGY OF LIBERATION” in which it was condemning the inclusion of the “class struggle” and other parts of the ideology and Marxist praxis under the Christian cover of a so called liberation theology.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19840806_theology-liberation_en.html

Pope Francis has close ties with liberation theology, according to Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller, prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the same discaterio that once condemned the movement. In the 1980s the CDF, under then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, attacked liberation theology for borrowing “from various currents of Marxist thought“.

Few know that cardinal Müller is also a pupil of Gustavo Gutierrez, the “father” of Latin-American liberation theology. When Müller, the prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, affirms that “Pope Francis has close ties with liberation theology” it exposes the reason for the exaltation of Leonardo Boff and the most radical leaders of the Marxist Liberation theology with the election of Pope Francisco.

Pope Francis’ right hand, the powerful Honduran Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga, who was put by the Pope in charge of the reform of the Church, makes his sympathies clear when he quotes as an authority on the morality of international investment the Swiss radical Jean Ziegler – a longtime defender of Fidel Castro, who has called the United States an “imperialist dictatorship”.

According to the good cardinal: “The effects and consequences of the neoliberal dictatorships that rule democracies are not hard to uncover: they invade us with the industry of entertainment, they make us forget about human rights, they convince us that nothing can be done, that there is no possible alternative. To change the system, it would be necessary to destroy the power of the new feudal lords.”


279 posted on 05/10/2014 10:21:18 PM PDT by Dqban22
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He was misquoted Again!!! He said “Redistribute Economic Opportunity” which is totally different.


297 posted on 05/12/2014 5:36:39 AM PDT by vortec94
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