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Did Putin Plan the Odessa Massacre?
National Review Online ^ | May 13, 2014 | Robert Zubrin

Posted on 05/13/2014 11:02:27 AM PDT by AU72

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There's also the Moscow movie house debacle where scores of hostages were killed by poison gas ignited by special forces.
1 posted on 05/13/2014 11:02:27 AM PDT by AU72
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Robert Zubrin is president of Pioneer Energy of Lakewood, Colo., and the author of Energy Victory. The paperback edition of his latest book, Merchants of Despair: Radical Environmentalists, Criminal Pseudo-Scientists, and the Fatal Cult of Antihumanism, was recently published by Encounter Books.

Guess that makes him an expert on inhuman behavior. /s

2 posted on 05/13/2014 11:12:14 AM PDT by McGruff (Let Freedom Ring.)
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The Odessa Massacre happened in the fall of 1941 and winter of 1942.

Vladimir Putin was born October 7th 1952.

3 posted on 05/13/2014 11:14:13 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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You can’t take seriously any propagandist who calls Aleksandr Dugin a “top Kremlin fascist ideologue and geopolitical strategist.” That’s like calling Rev. Jeremiah Wright a “top Bush neo-conservative ideologue and geopolitical strategist.”


4 posted on 05/13/2014 11:14:38 AM PDT by dangus
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5 posted on 05/13/2014 11:15:05 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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A little before his time, don'cha think?

6 posted on 05/13/2014 11:16:05 AM PDT by dfwgator
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More sensibly .... did the SOROS-Obama-Jarrett cabal plan and execute the Nazi attack on Russian supporters, burning them alive in an attempt to instill fear and silence opposition .... in good ‘ole Nazi time tested tradition???


7 posted on 05/13/2014 11:17:24 AM PDT by Ancient Wonderboy
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The Odessa Massacre happened in the fall of 1941 and winter of 1942. Vladimir Putin was born October 7th 1952.

THAT'S HOW CLEVER PUTIN IS!

He's been doing nefarious things since well before he was born!

8 posted on 05/13/2014 11:19:18 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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A reasonable author can believe in a conspiracy, especially given cloudy environs like the fall of the Soviet Union. But to state the conspiracy as if it had been demonstrated and accepted as fact is to rightfully earn oneself the scorn and derision commonly given conspiracy mongers, especially when the attacks were publicly announced by the perpetrators of the attacks before they began.


9 posted on 05/13/2014 11:21:24 AM PDT by dangus
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Reichstag Fire ping


10 posted on 05/13/2014 11:24:57 AM PDT by samtheman
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Dayum!!! I’m ordering a Rosetta Stone in Russian while copies are still available.


11 posted on 05/13/2014 11:28:57 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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850 people were held hostage by 40-50 Chechen terrorists. A chemical gas was used successfully to placate the terrorists. The problem was that titrating a sleep-inducing drug is impossible in such conditions, and 130 hostages were also killed, mostly by overdoses of the drug. Doctors on the scene criticized the operation because they were not told what drug had been used, and so could not effectively counter its effects among the innocent. I would certainly call it a debacle. I would not call it evidence that Putin murders his own people for political points.


12 posted on 05/13/2014 11:29:08 AM PDT by dangus
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Whether or not he did, Pro-Russians aren’t messing around in Odessa anymore are they?


13 posted on 05/13/2014 11:31:50 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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I am sure some Russian cleaning woman will be brought forth to say “What, at this point, does it matter?”


14 posted on 05/13/2014 11:33:50 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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The author presents no evidence. The fact that Russian special forces did not aid in the battle of Odessa is presented not as a demonstration that Russia isn’t using special forces in Odessa, but as proof that Russia wanted its allies to lose to set up the scene for the Odessa massacre. When the brutality of Kiev backfires, this is not evidence that Kiev acted with passion blinded by hatred, but as proof that Russia wanted it to happen, and so therefore, by extension, proof that Russia did it.

I know National Review has become a haunt of establishment GOP types like Frum but I’m rather stunned to read its become the haunt of fanatical conspiracists so desperate to cover for a failed MSM narrative that they invent such psychotic drivel.

>> So it was easily predictable, when a similar scene was enacted in Odessa on May 2, with 42 pro-Russian activists burned to death or killed by smoke inhalation while trapped in the city’s Trade Union building, that ferocious rage and demands for revenge should break out in every part of Russia and every ethnic-Russian community in Ukraine. Indeed, in eliminating dissent and unifying Putin’s subjects into a mad herd behind his plans for war and fascism, the massacre could hardly have better served his aims and objectives if the former spymaster had planned it himself. <<


15 posted on 05/13/2014 11:36:11 AM PDT by dangus
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Dugin is indeed a “Kremlin fascist ideologue” with links to the Kremlin and a top position in a university. He also appears on state run Russian media. If he was not supported or useful for the regime, he would not maintain his position nor ever be heard of.


16 posted on 05/13/2014 11:37:24 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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This guy doesn’t sound biased.

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Not!


17 posted on 05/13/2014 11:38:57 AM PDT by McGruff (Let Freedom Ring.)
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We don’t know if the FSB was behind the Odessa fire, but we do know the FSB has killed lots of people under orders of Putin, and that is not a conspiracy theory.


18 posted on 05/13/2014 11:39:13 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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I agree that this column veers into conspiracy theory, but since when have FReepers been so dismissive of false-flag theories?


19 posted on 05/13/2014 11:40:47 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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He’s a conservative judging from the books he’s published, and most normal conservatives are anti-communist and patriotic, making them naturally suspicious of the Kremlin which is still supporting communist movements and governments across the world.


20 posted on 05/13/2014 11:41:14 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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