Posted on 05/27/2014 5:18:07 AM PDT by GIdget2004
I believe it’s desirable to be Catholic but outside the Vatican/Holy See given the apostasy of the last 50+ years.
Interesting. By this same logic we could conclude that Abel was actually the cousin of Cain. Or that Aaron was actually the cousin of Moses. And so on.
The problem is that most Americans, most Westerners believe that the Church is a democracy.
That is wrong, and it comes from following and not thinking.
We do not get to opine about the Church.
When we do, it is pride. People are fooled into believing that they get to say what truth is.
That’s Relativism. And it’s a heresy.
We do get to say and believe whatever we want, but not without consequences.
People who want to believe what some heretical clergy member told them, and will completely disregard all the energy they could be otherwise spending finding out what the Church states about things, will not read the Catechism.
Stating that they are too sure of their own thinking.
But this is what Eve did. God told her what not to do, same as her following husband/mate. They each said someone else told them it was okay, disregarding the law.
Set forth by the Creator.
That is pride. And it is a deadly sin.
So, fi people want to say they have an opinion about what the Church says, they don’t have to be Catholic.
But when they do so and state they are Catholic, and a LOT of people do this, then others will be swayed. There is nothing quite so attractive and powerful as a dissenting Catholic.
Okay, I’ll cut and paste the Catechism, as it is too painful for some people to crack the book, or click on sites I’ve included, though, I know it won’t be read.
Mary - “ever-virgin”
499 The deepening of faith in the virginal motherhood led the Church to confess Mary’s real and perpetual virginity even in the act of giving birth to the Son of God made man.154 In fact, Christ’s birth “did not diminish his mother’s virginal integrity but sanctified it.”155 And so the liturgy of the Church celebrates Mary as Aeiparthenos, the “Ever-virgin”.156
500 Against this doctrine the objection is sometimes raised that the Bible mentions brothers and sisters of Jesus.157 The Church has always understood these passages as not referring to other children of the Virgin Mary. In fact James and Joseph, “brothers of Jesus”, are the sons of another Mary, a disciple of Christ, whom St. Matthew significantly calls “the other Mary”.158 They are close relations of Jesus, according to an Old Testament expression.159
501 Jesus is Mary’s only son, but her spiritual motherhood extends to all men whom indeed he came to save: “The Son whom she brought forth is he whom God placed as the first-born among many brethren, that is, the faithful in whose generation and formation she co-operates with a mother’s love.”160
there are infiltrations within the Church. why wouldn’t there be?
But the Church itself will never falter, Jesus said it.
And He had to deal with being handed over by Judas.
Come on.
“Fortunately not all Catholics think the same way on everything.”
All practicing Catholics believe in all the tenets of the Church.
What you mean is that not all people who say they are Catholics believe in what the Church says.
You might add how you think that is a good thing.
From the Catechism and the encyclical, 135 Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus (1854): DS 2803,
resources, including biblical and theological references:
www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/p9ineff.htm
491 Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, “full of grace” through God,134 was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854:
The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin.135
No they weren't. Supply cites, or retract.
A handful of popes were married, or had been at some point prior to election. Most of these were widowers when they ascended to the See of Peter. To assert that Sts Clement and Sixtus were married is ludicrous beyond words.
There are vestiges of the True Church that will endure. I think Christ withholds Transubstantiation at those clown masses - the degree of irreverence and lack of respect is too great.
The Torah is written in Hebrew, not Aramaic.
That’s a pretty bold stance to take on one’s own (negligible) authority.
the true presence is there. It is very painful to watch, I agree. I’m constantly writing to the clergy.
It’s a struggle to find avenues to practice the faith among people who practice reverence.
But I find it worth the struggle, of course.
You do realize this is Donatism you espouse?
Where in the Bible does it mention that Mary was conceived of an immaculate conception, or do we just go with what Pope Pius IX decreed without question?
Where in the Bible does it mention that Jesus’s brothers and sisters were from a previous marriage of Joseph?
Where in the Bible does it say we should believe only what’s in the Bible?
Last I checked the Old Testament and the New Testament were the foundation of our Judeo-Christian tradition.
Most of the ancient religions-—the ancient Greek, Roman, and Egyptians religions were based up myths, legends, and fables.
The Judeo-Christian tradition, on the other hand, is based on HISTORY. REAL people who lived in certain times and did certain things. We don’t make things up out of whole cloth. And yes of course, the Bible is our primary source of information.
That was an evasion. Can you answer the question?
Where in the Bible does it say we should believe only what’s in the Bible?
I saw what he was saying as the clapping percussion, silly songs (when the Catholic tradition has the best music in the history of the World- duh), the priests talking about local sports scores during Mass, the hooker wear, the men wearing shorts, people running all over the Church to get Communion, the touting of latinos as the future of the Church, when we’re supposed to support them financially, not the other way around, as is reality, the touting of the abortion-supporting GSA, sleeveless shorts-wearing women on the altar, distributing Communion, sitting for the Palm sunday Gospel, when most people there would stand twice as long on line at walmart to purchase any r rated movie in stock, PDA out of control, kids eating, texting, playing computer games, and, oh here’s a good one, the priest calling us ‘Gringos’ - that was lovely - the priest at daily Mass taking nonsense all sermon, unprepared just motor mouth, pacing around, telling us to respond, like some bombing comedian, then sitting during Communion as his legs are bad, letting the laity distribute Communion, just to point out a few items on the list.
I struggle to keep the true Church in mind and it is definitely there, but I do have to pray for God’s forgiveness of these actions It’s distracting.
I don’t know where. It is you that asserts these things are necessary, not I and not the Church.
But to cite sources of references, I included three times by cutting and pasting.
Try that.
I think the Latin mass should be available where there is interest.
But the original intent, if there is a lesson of Pentecost, is to teach the word in the local language so that people could understand. Remember this was at a time when books were rare and most people did not read.
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