Posted on 05/27/2014 5:18:07 AM PDT by GIdget2004
That’s a good list. All too vivid. Fortunately that breed of priest is (slowly) disappearing. The men I know in seminary nowadays — and I know quite a few — have not signed on to be talk show hosts. You will like what’s in the pipeline.
I am not cutting a pasting anything.
You show ME in the Bible:
1) Where EXACTLY does it say that Mary was conceived of an Immaculate Conception?
2) Where EXACTLY does it say that Joseph had children with a previous spouse?
Why do people make up things which aren’t there?
No. You haven’t been to Latin Mass in a long time, I take it.
The Mass here is Novus Ordo, so it’s easy to follow, and it’s written side by side in the missalette. There is absolutely no way to not know exactly what is being said, not that it is better or worse than a Mass in the vernacular.
And all the readings are in English, as well as the sermon, so it is simply not a problem.
The 400 school kids that attend have no problem with it, and learn the prayers in Latin.
THe priest does not mumble through it, either.
And it is reverent. He does the same with the English spoken Masses. And he faces the east, and the Tabernacle, when he says Mass.
He would not dream of making people laugh about the local sports team, or even make them hold hands and shake during the sign of peace, especially with the real presence on the Altar,
But, no, the Bible readings are all in English, and the prayers are easy to interpret.
Americans are so frightened of other languages, and it is galling to see them making me speak and learn spanich.
for get it
I’ll say it for the fourth time. No one said it was in the Bible.
I can go all day.
BTW, some people think they’re smart just because they disagree. Then they move on to senior high school.
Try disagreeing with those who disagree with the Church.
It’s true. The convents that are seeing vocations are the orthodox ones.
Mass isn’t bible study. The traditional Latin Mass should be offered even before there’s interest. Teaching the people isn’t the chief reason for the Mass. If you want the readings to be intelligible to those who can’t process the Latin, provide worship aids, or else read the lessons over again in the vernacular.
I am talking about the roots of saying mass 2,000 years ago. That is the tradition and the original intent.
I don’t care what mass you attend now.
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2,000 years ago
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yeah we need work arounds to make sure we keep the Latin.
Good stuff makes a lot of sense.
I have no problem with mass in Latin. I said the Latin responses when I was an altar boy for 7 years and mass was in Latin.
But the traditional mass was in the local language and why the holy spirit gave us pentecost.
You tell me. Tell me where you get a Bible that's self-compiling, self-authenticating, self-interpreting, and self-sufficient. Tell me why you believe in the Bible at all.
you remember the last supper and pentecost etc. that was 2,000 years ago.
What is your question?
You can insult me all day long if you like. I don’t care.
I have questioned the policy of mandatory clerical celibacy for a number of years now and have signed out many books from the library, especially those on the history of how this policy has evolved over the centuries. This is not policy etched in stone. Even the current Pope says it is subject to change if you read the article above. Our cousins in the more traditional Orthodox Church permit priests to marry. I see no reason why we should not re-evaluate this policy in our Church. There are a large number of Catholics who question this policy. I’m tired of being branded a heretic if I don’t support every single policy. I’m a lifelong Republican too, but that doesn’t mean I always go along with the leadership in my party.
Latin is the Language of the Church. During Mass, the prayers are said in Latin, they are completely understandable.
THe Bible readings are said in English, or the vernacular, so the teaching you are talking about is not hindered at all, so whats the complaint?
Whatever
I am merely saying that the mass was originally spoken in the local language. That was the purpose of pentecost.
So the real claim to the “traditional mass” is local language.
I never said there should be no latin mass.
Yeah, whatever.
I’m sure there is room for plenty of disagreement, especially when we are discussing events which occurred 2000 years ago.
I don’t claim to have all of the answers. When in doubt it always best to fall back on what is written in the Bible and not try to read into it or change the meaning of words.
What makes us Christians is that we all believe that Jesus died on the cross for our sins and was resurrected on the Third Day. We believe He was the Son of God and performed many miracles including raising people from the dead, healing the sick, casting out demons, walking on water, turning water into wine and many other miracles. What we know about Jesus’s family, His mother Mary, Joseph, and his brothers and sisters, most notably St. James, is pretty much limited to what is written in the New Testament.
I’m for sticking with Bible as close as possible, that is where you will find the truth. I don’t accuse people who disagree with me as heretics. I think we can have an honest discussion on many of these issues.
I don’t think so — in order to be donatist-like I would have to claim that only the sacrament in my particular Mass or sect or whatever is valid. I’m just saying that the more egregious violations of rubrics might lead to non-validity of Consecration. There has got to be a limit, no? Is Jesus going to allow a valid Consecration at some future, even more depraved time, when the homo “catholics” do a sex act at the tabernacle in the process of the mass? I don’t think so, even if the priest was validly given orders.
I have always been known as a person with a low tolerance for discomfort of any kind (and am medically treated as such), but just about any one of those would drive me out the door for good long before the Consecration occurred. I have to say that with the Grace of God, somehow, that not a single one of those "distractions" as you call them or "crimes against the Mass" as I might call them has ever occurred at a Mass I attended to the best of my knowledge, thank God. Don't think even the local Novus Ordo parish sees much of that, thank God.
Check again.
Do you really believe the Church comes from the Bible -- not the Bible from the Church?
Have to issue a correction — the NO Mass does see men in shorts — I’ve seen them while dropping off/picking up relatives at the “teen Mass”. But have never seen a tablet being carried or most of the rest. Sleeveless women at the altar or other immodest dress? — very possible at the NO.
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