Posted on 06/04/2014 10:19:50 AM PDT by Iced Tea Party
We can’t trust people to make contracts with one another, we need an all-knowing, sanctified, governmental apparatus to care for us. Something might go wrong. What about the children? /s
The goal is the same as it’s been stated since the red diaper doper baby days “SMASH THE PATRIARCHY”.
Subversion of the institutions, not “acceptance”.
Actually queers don’t want legal marriages. They don’t.
They - like all big gubmint statists - want to eliminate all marriages which results in a greater Welfare State. And they’ll use any tactic to accomplish this.
So. For anyone to argue for Civil Unions or argue the government should abandon traditional marriage is just nuts.
The proper role of just governance is to secure the blessings of liberty. The original purpose of Family Law, i.e. government involvement, was to protect the rights of children to be raised properly by the father and mother who conceived them. Children, understandably, are most vulnerable with regard to the security of their endowed rights. Is government too involved in marriage today?. . .no question a slippery slope, however, there is a “just” role for government in securing the rights of children. . .btw, it is children’s rights that suffer the most as a result of the redefining of marriage. No one has an endowed right to have a spouse. . but children born of a father and mother DO have an endowed right to be raised properly by that father and mother.
Which of the following is an evil nation?
1. The US, where people drive on the right.If "all laws boil down to moral issues", then clearly, of these two opposite laws, one must be good and the other must be evil.
2. The UK, where people drive on the left.
Fund’s right, of course, that marriage precedes government. In fact, until the French Revolution after which couples were required to see the mayor before the priest, “formal” marriage was limited to the sacrament of Matrimony or the religious, social, tribal conventions of various groups. Just one of the many, many perversions of the French Revolution that’s leaked into today’s mores.
(backs away slowly looking for the exit)
Both designate a specific side of the road.
You are just trying a red herring.
The designation is there to prevent death.
Marriage is about the institution rewarded by the society for furthering the society.
Children are created by a male and a female not by any “fetish” test.
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Marriage is more than a religous committment. It is the foundation for every successfull society since the beginning of time.
As goes the American Family - so goes America.
it can’t be. b/c divorce exists, and it’s conducted through courts. which then sets precedents in law, and then legislatures get involved with making laws regarding marriage and divorce.
Yep. Or he was. He’s dead now, ya know.
He was a social liberal. That’s what a libertarian is.
And don’t leave now. Stick around new stuff. You’ll learn a lot from us.
If the government does not hand out goodies based on marital status who cares?
Government, like cancer, has a “vested interest” in growing and infiltrating its surroundings.
Capitalize this: you’re wrong.
No, I am acutely aware that government oppression of Christians is mounting and that many of us risk being sent to gulags.
Do YOU realize that the government can try to force ministers to perform same-sex marriages whether marriage licenses exist or not?
Grow a brain.
Wow, this is going to be fun.
If a preacher starts marrying gays he won’t have much of a congregation left, and you are ALWAYS free to move to the next church.
Actually, I don't expect ACTUAL Christian minister or Jewish rabbis to do any such thing.
You want government in YOUR church?
I am quite aware that libertarians have a grotesquely distorted view of government and its role. I am also aware that many, if not most, libertarians strongly support the homosexual agenda and will go out of their way to force same-sex marriage on society, all while being blind to the FACT that in the majority of the United States it is the government that prohibits these abominations.
That's the evil genius of it:
1. Government comes up with some rationalization for taking control of a social institution.
2. Enough suckers buy the excuse to let it happen.
3. Once the takeover is a fait accompli, it becomes part of the rationale for the next takeover.
4. Lather, rinse, repeat.
And without government involvement people can accept or reject those marriages as they see fit. As it should be.
To take the point a step further. Those "liberal" types, whom the hard core Leftists used to refer to as "useful idiots," argued back in the 1930s, when the ADC program was proposed, that the Government should take the stigma out of having children out-of-wedlock. The idea was that the children were innocent victims, forced to endure undeserved social stigma. The point was valid up to a point; but that social stigma, however unkind to the innocents, was society's way of discouraging an unfortunate social process.
The result of taking the stigma out in that case, ended up being 15 or more times as high a percentage of American children forced to grow up without the benefit (blessing) of a normal constructive family. 15 or more times as many children crying over what they lacked.
Just offering "food for thought."
Marriage in the US worked for over 200 years. We did not become a totalitarian nanny state ruled by religious fanatics and idealogues simply because we upheld traditonal marriage in our laws and courts.
So for anyone to look at marriage and argue that the government has no place in sanctioning it is simply ignorant of history.
Now. If you wanna know WHY tradional marriage is nearly dead in our government today, then start with LBJ and his Great Society. Liberals and those who argue against marriage in our laws and in our courts are the ones to blame.
Not conservatives.
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