Posted on 06/13/2014 6:08:09 AM PDT by wagglebee
I remember the death cult liberals claiming how wonderful, peaceful, and euphoric Terri’s death will be when she was starved to death. Disgusting liberals.
Thank you for the sweet words. Your response was exactly what I was going for,
This is horrible. It’s just horrible.
I just buried a good friend who spent the last two weeks of his life in a hospice.
About one week before his passing he stopped taking solid food and two or three days later he stopped taking liquids, altogether. No, he did not commit suicide, he just couldn’t get anything through his throat because he also had esophageal cancer.
No one forced him to take this action. All they did was administer morphine or some pain killer. A priest came to administer the Last Rites while he was still lucid.
His organs stopped functioning, he went into a coma, and then came the end.
“Suffering is part of life. Being murdered should not be.”
How true!
You 100% miss the point and make an argument that no one disagrees with.
I am talking about starving people to death as euthanasia.
Eg, “There are a lot of instances where nothing is gained by retaining a feeding tube or an IV.”
Those are NOT the instances I am talking about.
I am talking about the instances when a feeding tube or iv prolong life and improve it.
As for this:
“If it’s ok for those pro life folks...”
Are you not pro-Life?
So you think there are people withdrawing water from people who have a reasonable chance for recovery?
That is not euthanasia, it’s criminal.
And of course you can cite cases where this happens?
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"Reasonable"? I would hope that water wouldn't be withheld from anyone.
Well,, it happens hundreds of times a day. But don’t try to have it explained. Folks around here think that suffering is a good treatment.
It’s as bad as the Taliban sometimes. Damned barbarians.
Indeed. Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!
You do not have to cover every specific situation. What is covered and specified are things that lead to the kind of care you will get. For example if you want every heroic measure taken to prolong your life say so...that may mean that you will get your ribs broken when you are being revived in a code and you are 92 but that is the choice you made.
It is important to talk about what you want your life to look like. I for one have very specific yeses and noes for the type of care I am willing to have. Those have been documented in a POLST and the person I have designated as my power of attorney for health care knows exactly what I want. We have talked about all sorts of situations (e.g. if I have an appendicitis attack should I have that removed.... the answer happens to be yes because dying by gangrene of the gut is very painful and drawn out and nasty.) There is a need for people to discuss with the doctors and other health care providers about their view on life and what their principles dictate for them.
What this means is some folks (like me) will do very little except for comfort care and pain management.Others will want every thing possible done to extend their life for even one day. This is as it should be. Your care should be between you and your doc. Too often people put off discussing these things because they think they are too young. Nonsense. No one is promised tomorrow. Figure out what you want and write it down
Good for you. I too have a terminal illness and we as a family sat and made our decisions together. Ten years ago while my child was still a minor the choices made were different than what the decisions made now.
I applaud you for talking about what comes to each of us in our own time. It is easier on the health care workers (nurses in particular) when families have already done this. Trying to talk with families when they are in the middle of crisis never works. Some families just refuse to acknowledge that death is something that comes to us all. Some will try to keep someone ‘alive’ no matter what even when the frail body is clearly being abused by the ‘treatments.
My wish for you is that your troubles be short and your path be long. I am pretty sure that each day has its ups and downs...I have a sense that you are handling it all with grace and dignity. May God give you extra strength and grace as you need
I am “fortunate” to have a rare lung disease that in my case has been a long (12 years) progressing now to being bed ridden, but still maintaining a certain quality of life. No pain or treatments. Everyone including the USN has bent over backwards so that I can remain at home. I live with my daughter and her husband who is a Naval Officer. His duty station is only 10 miles from our home and all of my family lives near by.
Praying that the God of all comfort will wrap His arms around you and yours.
Thanks for your prayers.
Mine is a slow growing cancer that seems to get really aggressive and then stops for awhile. I watched my mom live with it for almost 20 years so who knows? I just figure that every day I get to wake up is a good day.
I hope folks read our posts and learn from them.
Sounds like you are in a good spot close to family. Me too.
You are correct, P Marlowe. If something is inconvenient or unpleasant for observers or people projecting, than just “get rid of it.”
but that’s the “game plan” ... I fear.
61 posted on 6/13/2014 12:27:10 PM by Organic Panic: “I remember the death cult liberals claiming how wonderful, peaceful, and euphoric Terri’s death will be when she was starved to death. Disgusting liberals.”
Vermont Lt, you wouldn't be here on Free Republic if you weren't a conservative, so I am going to treat you as a well-meaning and well-intended conservative who honestly and sincerely hasn't experienced what some of us have experienced. Claims are being made that starving and dehydrating elderly people somehow makes them “euphoric.” If you haven't heard that, listen to some of us who have.
Regarding “euphoria” — I was given that **EXACT** word by hospice personnel when my comatose mother was denied food and water over my strong objections.
I am not going to post details here. I know much more about the legal issues now than I knew a decade ago, but based on details I will not discuss in public, the situation probably could not have been remedied without a lawsuit which I simply could not have afforded.
I can't speak for others’ experience with what medical and nursing personnel say in end-of-life situations, but I can say the word “euphoria” was and is being used to convince families to kill their relatives.
“Euthanasia” means “good death.” In the case of withholding food and water, it is anything **BUT** good.
The Scriptures quote God saying this in Proverbs 8:36: “all they that hate me love death.”
That is nowhere more clear than the claim that starving and dehydrating elderly people somehow makes them euphoric.
Go tell that to a starving and thirsty child in the Third World. It makes as much sense there as it does in a nursing home.
Evil can and must be called by its proper name. Abortion for the unborn and euthanasia for the elderly are two examples of pretty names we place on the deliberate killing of those who are not able to defend themselves.
Evil must be fought. He who defines, wins... and calling evil by its proper name is key to fighting the Dark One who is evil to his core.
Yes, Vermont Lt, I'm using strong words here. If you were a liberal you'd get the full force of my fire, with much stronger words. I think you honestly haven't seen what I've seen in a hospice. I do not know your personal situation, but consider the possibility that maybe, because you are a conservative, the nurses figured out not to use that kind of language with you because they realized it would infuriate you rather than encourage you.
Please reconsider your views. You're walking with the wrong crowd here, and that crowd will not lead you places any conservative wants to end up.
Yes, it happens.
http://www.nrlc.org/archive/news/2000/NRL06/england.html
That’s not my best documentation. It’s late and I just found out about this thread. I did a law review article on the Schiavo case. I met personally with people who were in the room with her. They made a credible case that she was more aware of her surroundings than the media presented.
I am also remembering a case I looked at where the Brits were deciding the fate of a person who was acknowledged to be conscious, but too low “quality of life.” To get the full cite on that, plus outcome, I’d have to dig back through my research, so perhaps tomorrow. But yes, it most definitely is a problem. And to extent we increase our imitation of the European model via Obamacare, the worse it will be.
Myself and family members cared for my dad his final days. . Nurses and Chaplain came in every day or so to check on him. He was under home Hospice. I was the primary care giver. He was terminal stage four cancer that doctors had treated for ten years of which 9 of them did not involve Chemo and did not lessen his enjoyment. Docs finally after several chemo attempts failed told him he had six months. It didn't take a medical degree though to realize his time with us were quickly going. He told us nothing Mom found the paper by accident four months later and his health had turned a lot worse.
Dad chose no tubes. When he asked for water I gave it. He could not eat and he did not want to eat nor a feeding tube. For those who haven't been around it they are not that pleasant for the patient. A few days before he passed he kept asking me for some tomato soup. Common sense told me it would likely make him sick, cause him to throw up, and in his weakened state cause him to die. He begged so I fixed a can. He took a couple of sips through a straw and a day or so later went into a Coma and passed within 48 hours.
A "terminal" person not wishing to be kept alive by tubes is one thing. It is the natural course known to man up till the past couple of generations. Giving someone drugs to hasten death especially non terminal is quite another. Dad knew his time was up, he'd suffered a year of treatment, could not eat, could not stand to take the medications to fight the pain of the cancer. He told me he was ready to go see his Pop.
I'm against euthanasia 100%. I'm also against prolonging life artificially if the person is suffering because of it. Make them as comfortable as possible to ease pain and tell them it's OK to go now. Many dying persons wait till either no one is in the room or family says we understand you are tired and need to go. Biblically I think it is likely dismissing the spirit.
Very well written response to the liberal death cult members claiming how eurphoric it is to be starved to death. After having surgery a few years ago I was not allowed to eat or drink anything for 3 days. After a day the hunger pangs go away. But the thirst is torture. Having no moisture in your mouth or entire respiratory system is terrible. There is nothing euphoric about it.
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