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Doomsday Prepper Martin Winters Surrenders, Held Without Bail
Tampa Bay Timess ^ | June 18, 2014 | Patty Ryan & Dan Sullivan,

Posted on 06/19/2014 5:24:39 AM PDT by Iron Munro

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To: Iron Munro

Thanks! I’ve never seen anything like that. According to that video, you still need paperwork to make one of those.


41 posted on 06/19/2014 6:25:54 AM PDT by Girlene (Hey NSA!)
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To: Iron Munro

I recall when the Obama Justice Dept. arrested a bunch of guys from Michigan and Indiana for similar charges. After spending a substantial time in jail awaiting trial the case turned out to be BS and fell apart. (They may have called their group the “Hutrees” or something like that). The moral of the story is if you appear on their radar they will manufacture some reason to put you down. STFU and do what you have to do within the law.


42 posted on 06/19/2014 6:26:46 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Remember the first rule.


43 posted on 06/19/2014 6:27:19 AM PDT by sport
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To: Kartographer

Ping worthy


44 posted on 06/19/2014 6:29:01 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: jameslalor

Thank you. Whether it’s a pipe bomb or a zip gun, I would assume they would have to prove he actually made one (without the proper “paperwork”)...not just talk about it.


45 posted on 06/19/2014 6:30:12 AM PDT by Girlene (Hey NSA!)
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To: Iron Munro
He also discussed elaborate plans to kill government agents in the event that they raided his property.

Isn't it better to use the generic term "zombies" when talking about protecting your property?

46 posted on 06/19/2014 6:33:52 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: rktman

Speaking of operating without a permit, I’d like to see a copy of the FBI’s Congressionally passed legislative charter. A citation to the United States Code will be sufficient.


47 posted on 06/19/2014 6:34:00 AM PDT by Ahithophel (Communication is an art form susceptible to sudden technical failures)
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To: Iron Munro

Christ! You do know most states have laws banning the possession or construction of zip guns? It’s a bit hair-brained to call them “perfectly legal”, either that or just plain entrapment on your part.

And, no, it doesn’t sound like he was making a zip gun. I’ve seen examples of booby-traps recovered from raided grow-ops that were constructed as generally outlined in the articles that describe this arrest. The devices I’m thinking of do very decidedly meet the NFA’s definition of a DD.


48 posted on 06/19/2014 6:37:50 AM PDT by jameslalor
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

See Post #35 this thread for some good advise.

Seems funny to me that they can spend this much time and money on this one man meanwhile on the border they are allowing all kinds on contraband from drugs to weapons as well as everybody from future lifetime welfare queens, drug lords, street hoodlums and terrorist to cross over.


49 posted on 06/19/2014 6:41:49 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: sport

first,,,


50 posted on 06/19/2014 6:42:40 AM PDT by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: Girlene

Depends if they want to charge you or not. All those components easily meet the requirements for “bomb” making components.


51 posted on 06/19/2014 6:43:03 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Iron Munro

Three days and he surrendered for a cheese burger and fries.

Must have forgotten to store something.

ROFL


52 posted on 06/19/2014 6:43:35 AM PDT by Bailee
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To: sport
At least they did not get to kill him like they hoped. His two daughters being with him would have presented no problem for them explaining their deaths as well as his.

It sounds like the FBI's invested a lot of time nailing Winters but here is an ironic factoid:

The nearby University of South Florida is a hotbed of American hating muslims and their leftist supporters.

That's where radical islamisty Sami Al-Arian (a Kuwaiti national) was a professor.
Al-Arian was charged with terrorist related crimes and was staunchly defended by much of the university faculty and student body.
He pleaded guilty on reduced charges and was ordered to be deported. He sent his family to Egypt but he is still here fighting the deportation order. His attorney is Jonathan Turley.

Terrorist related charges have also been leveled against other muslims tied to the school.

But the government has time (and the desire) to go after a man like Winters who has no record of violence and by all accounts is well thought of by his neighbors.


53 posted on 06/19/2014 6:43:45 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The Obamas' Black skin has morphed into Teflon thanks to the Obama Media)
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To: Kartographer
Seems funny to me that they can spend this much time and money on this one man meanwhile on the border they are allowing all kinds on contraband from drugs to weapons as well as everybody from future lifetime welfare queens, drug lords, street hoodlums and terrorist to cross over.

They are sending a message.

54 posted on 06/19/2014 6:45:06 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: rktman

If you have a group of 3 people then one of them in an informant.


55 posted on 06/19/2014 6:47:06 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer

Leftists hate preppers for the same reason that people hated Noah.

By prepping, you’re accusing them.
By prepping, you’re telling liberals that their policies are leading to destruction.
Liberals invest their righteousness in the policies they advocate, and by prepping, you’re attacking their very sense of righteousness.


56 posted on 06/19/2014 6:52:39 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: driftdiver

LOL! Right on.

1. If you don’t want it repeated, never say it.
2. If you don’t want it read, never write it down.
3. If you don’t want it posted somewhere, somehow, never take a picture of it.

My sister was going to take a picture of my, what appear to firearms, but probably are just cardboard cutouts, and I told her like the gate keeper in the wizard of oz. No way, no how.


57 posted on 06/19/2014 6:53:28 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: Iron Munro
Remember OPSEC.

And remember, the ones who are  trying to get people to build bombs are always feds.

58 posted on 06/19/2014 7:00:48 AM PDT by zeugma (It is time for us to start playing cowboys and muslims for real now.)
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To: driftdiver

A slam fire shotgun?


59 posted on 06/19/2014 7:01:50 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: FreedomPoster
Correction - workshop, not basement. He’s in Florida, they don’t have basements.

Perhaps he had scuba gear.

60 posted on 06/19/2014 7:03:18 AM PDT by zeugma (It is time for us to start playing cowboys and muslims for real now.)
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