Skip to comments.Sonasoft Software Licenses and Software Maintenance Support (Details of IRS Email Services)
Posted on 06/21/2014 8:58:01 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
6009 Oxon Hill Road, Suite 500
Internal Revenue Service
1111 Constitution Ave.
District of Columbia
Original Set Aside:
Lois was too stupid to realize that her “lost” emails were archived by SonaSoft. She will need a case of Depends when she finds out SonaSoft has those “lost” emails.
This was only a one year contract from 2008 to 2009 per the above agreement.
Didn’t SonaSoft claim in 2010 that they were servicing the IRS?
Since it was a sole source contract maybe they continued the effort on a year to year basis; just my guess; that would be the easiest way for the IRS to maintain the service without disrupting their work flow.
What happens when the Justice Dept. or the President himself calls SonaSoft and tells them to lose the emails.
I’m starting to believe the rumor that GOPe was in on this too since they can’t be this stupid. They should have already locked down SonaSoft and retrieved backups yet the web is spreading the word and giving them time to kill these files as well.
Question to Commissioner Koskinen: Do you still use the services of SonaSoft company? If not, when did those services terminate and WHO do you now use for those services?
If they kill the files there then it is pretty much not arguable that crimes occurred. Even for a liberal. though they would. But it won’t fly.
If SonaSoft claims that they have “lost” the IRS emails then that would spell doom for a company whose main product is the ARCHIVING of those emails. I don’t see how they can say they lost the emails and still stay in business. OTOH, if they can provide the Lois Lerner emails, that would demonstrate how great their services are and bring in lots of business.
There are a BUCH of IRS officials in violation of the Federal Records Retention Act. That is their excuse.
I’d subpoena the Sonasoft president and start asking him about his government contract.
note the commissioner said they had different/ better access to emails of OCC
The IRS chief admitted obstruction when he said “No emails have gone missing SINCE the investigation started.” Oh, but thousands went missing that were sent BEFORE the investigation started.
I can’t believe the gopE was very upset over the feds shutting down the tea party groups.
This is specialized knowledge. Perhaps a few IT guys were aware of this contract and this software; however it runs on the servers, not on client desktops. A paper pusher would not know what happens to the email, and where it is stored. Many think that if they delete an email it gets deleted. That's not always so. MS Exchange is a complex system, and one can insert transport agents into many places of that system. Most people do not know what servers they connect to, and what are the backup procedures on those, and where offline backups are stored, and for how long. Managers of high rank are sometimes sufficiently arrogant to not ask the IT people about such details. After all, in order to ask a correct question you must know most of the answer already. People who are trained on simplistic "Press DEL and the email is gone" cannot even imagine that the email is not really gone.
Crash of a client's PC has no effect on the data. MS Exchange stores emails in MS SQL Server databases; many such databases can exist, and they can be all synchronized (replicated) for many reasons. For example, you cannot have 100,000 employees, who reside all over the planet, connect to one server. So there are multiple edge transport servers, hub transport servers, client access servers and mailbox servers. Just look here.
Believe me, SonaSoft NO LONGER HAS THE EMAILS!!!! The FBI has probably swept in there to gather the files to protect the FACIST DICTATOR!!!
Congress does NOT have the POWER to do any of that.
INNOCENT PEOPLE DON"T APPLY THE FIFTH!!!!!!
Innocent don’t NEED to apply the fifth. :-)
Sonasoft enters into the picture only if you believe this email loss was an accident or a failure of the software. I don’t think it was either but I doubt the boobs in Congress will do anything about it other than act angry.
If they were running exchange, those emails were backed up, and are on media or a drive array somewhere. They could probably be fully restored within minutes.
I’ve worked with places that have crazy mailbox size quotas, which requires the users to not keep emails very long, or save them to .pst files, but even THEN, those emails would still be backed up from Exchange most likely before deletion/user archival. The user’s .pst files are indeed often kept on the user’s computers, but are usually saved within a redirected/networked folder which resides on a file server, that’s ALSO backed up. Even IF the .pst file IS on the user’s local drive and it “crashed”, most of the time data can be recovered from a failed drive.
For those emails to not be recoverable, they would need to have one of the most pathetically sloppy IT departments in the history of the government, terrible business practices, and some of the worst luck I’ve ever heard of. It simply didn’t happen the way we’re being told.
Doesn’t matter, the government is required by law to archive it’s correspondence. If not this company, then theirs another. Even if the agreement doesn’t cover the years in question, it does show archiving does occur.
Her emails been pulled and destroyed on purpose.
That seems to say it was for the the IRS Office of Chief Counsel:
Not the entire IRS.
“...For those emails to not be recoverable,they would need to have one of the most pathetically sloppy IT departments in the history of the government,terrible business practices,and some of the worst luck Ive ever heard of. It simply didnt happen the way were being told.”
As part of our pressure on congress, etc, we should ask,
“a) If the head of the IRS loses records and gets away with it, and
b) if the IRS can’t keep from losing records ,
then why should we trust OUR records to them; why are they still in business?
Bingo! Ding...ding...ding...We have a winner!!
Fox News was just now talking about SonaSoft. Even if the email archives are limited to office of Counsel, then those might be revelatory.
Shocking that this didn’t disappear, too. The IRS could claim that the internet crashed, or something.
Also, this is software, not hardware. I see a number of FR posters assuming Sonasoft has a hardware solution and the IRS archives are located on Sonasoft hardware someplace.
Congress does NOT have ANY POWER.
This site might indicate that the 2006 contract, which has a higher dollar amount, was for the initial setup, which would include the hardware. It does mention "equipment." The following years' dollar amounts are lower. Could this be for cloud archiving of the data that was being backed up on site?
This site shows ongoing business was done between the govt and Sonasoft past 2009.
No, they don’t do that. The contract was for the IRS Office of Chief Counsel, so it didn’t even apply to the department Lois Lerner worked in.
The equipment would have been a drive array from Rorke, and it would have been installed at the IRS, not at Sonasoft, which does not provide servers at any Sonasoft facility.
A lot of people have been jumping to incorrect conclusions about this entire thing.
I see your point. But, wouldn’t the Chief Counsel have responsibility in seeing to the integrity of the data?
The only emails and other documents that would have been archived using the Sanasoft software under those contracts would have been those to and from the counsel’s office. That would include very few, if any, to and from Lois Lerner.
Kinda makes it irrelevant, I would think.
That is your surmise. Right? I see how one might assert that, but it’s AN opinion, unless there are facts to buttress it.
Of the three sentences I posted in #40, which are you applying your #41 to?
If I have to pick one, I’ll apply it to the first sentence.
I am not saying you are wrong or even that I disagree. I am saying that there is no evidence one way or another as to exactly what was entailed in the contract with SonaSoft.
I am surprised by that. You seem to be suggesting that they would have been archiving documents from people who did not work in the counsel’s office and whose documents were not sent to the counsel’s office.
To me, that defies logic.
Can you show that every single official of certain rank in IRS buys his own email archiving?
Oh I see. You’re actually arguing with me. But you’re using a silly question to do so.
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