Posted on 06/27/2014 2:06:17 AM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
By ignoring the honor-shame dynamic in Arab political culture, is the West keeping itself from making headway toward peace?
When someone from Asia or the Islamic culture talks about honor, he’s more likely to be thinking about “face”, his esteem and reputation among his peers. Typically, “honor” among Muslims can translate as “a reputation as somebody not to be f-—ed with”.
Ping.
To some extent but as a culture, they are walking around with a huge chip on their shoulder. At the dawn of islam, they took a big chunk of the world and although they couldn’t take all of Europe, they got a chunk and were able to look down on the dark age europeans.
Christendom eventually kicked them out of Europe and displaced them as a world power. That loss of honor is a burden to their psyche to this day. They hate us and the only way they can regain that honor is by putting their collective boot on our neck.
No forgiveness needed, but you can certainly have it if you want it.
Just being defensive about my little tribe.
I agree. And I reiterate my view that that is a primitive, tribal notion of honor, vastly different than the chivalric code that encompasses moral integrity, purity of motive, and faithfullness to principle even in the face of adversity.
To so many other cultures, truth and honor are negotiable commodities. What’s true on Monday may be false by Tuesday. That’s partly responsible for the abject cowardice demonstrated by so many Arab “soldiers,” who will turn tail and run at the first sign of a setback. And the hyperbolic denials of reality by buffoons like Baghdad Bob. And the duplicitous treachery of our so-called allies in Iraq and Afghanistan, who work beside our troops every day and then one day smuggle in a bomb and murder a dozen of them.
Contrast that with the courage and sacrifice of our men, like the SEAL team in “Lone Survivor” or the recent Medal of Honor recipient Kyle Carpenter (it’s no coincidence it’s called the Medal of HONOR). We could not be the people we are if all we thought of honor was that it was about saving face. That’s the kind of “honor” that permeates the ghetto culture and results in people being shot because they “dissed” someone with a bigger gun, a faster draw, and a shorter temper.
Exactly. Their Islamic writings paint the Muslims in general, and Arabs in particular, as a superior people, favored by Allah.
The contrast between that perception and the current reality invites a high degree of cognitive dissonance, which can only be resolved by a self-perception as a superior warrior, and the Westerners' technologically-superior culture just making them more suitable as slaves.
That's part of the Islamic way of war. They're not really suited for the Western style of war. They are a "raid culture" militarily. They will attack at weakness, and fade away in the face of strength. Their objective is to survive, and thus they win by not losing. They inflict losses on the enemy over the long term, until the enemy gets tired of bleeding.
It's proven to be a winning strategy for them. WHO is currently increasing in power in Afghanistan and Iraq?
I recommend reading the review of The Quranic Concept of War by a member of the US Army Institute of Strategic Studies.
What I do believe is they have been taught by their instructors, parents, teachers and the Koran since childhood to hate and kill.....not to mention the physical and psychological abuse they do to each other and their children as they grow. Thus their personalities are prevented from developing as God intended....so too how their view of life overall is strictly and restricted through the lens of Islam.
Therefore the outcome we see consistently playing out in the East...and in any country where Muslims infiltrate...as one of abuse, crime, death and ultimately destruction....it can go no other way and almost impossible to change the mindset by any human means/p>
In the Quranic moral code, to kill an apostate or an infidel who refuses to submit is a GOOD thing. It is REQUIRED of them.
They would feel shame if they failed to kill.
“Change is unlikely to come until it occurs in the larger Arab political culture, although the experience of other societies (including our own) suggests that the military can have a democratizing influence on the larger political culture, as officers bring the lessons of their training first into their professional environment, then into the larger society. It obviously makes a big difference, however, when the surrounding political culture is not only avowedly democratic (as are many Middle Eastern states), but functionally so. Until Arab politics begin to change at fundamental levels, Arab armies, whatever the courage or proficiency of individual officers and men, are unlikely to acquire the range of qualities which modern fighting forces require for success on the battlefield. For these qualities depend on inculcating respect, trust, and openness among the members of the armed forces at all levels, and this is the marching music of modern warfare that Arab armies, no matter how much they emulate the corresponding steps, do not want to hear.”
Colonel Norvell De Atkine, U.S. Army(retired):
http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars
As I have mentioned...it is the intense and brutal indoctrination of Islam/hate/and glorifying death to their population, from childhood and throughout, which robs them of the mind and heart God intended they should have...therefore impossible for them to “feel” anything close to “normal” emotions for Islam teachings destroy the natural responses they would otherwise have.
What they do is a matter of choosing to “Obey” thier leaders and the Koran..and their brains have been so fried they lack critical thinking skills to do otherwise.
Thanks Ultra Sonic 007. Have we ruled out stupidity? Gullibility? Inbreeding? Lack of an actual school system? Poor nutrition? “Crazy with the heat”?
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