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To: chessplayer
I will play Devils Advocate for the cops, for just a moment. Most of these dogs are not lap dogs, poodles, golden retrievers or beagles. They are typically pit bulls, rottweilers or pit bull mix breeds. Most of them were bred to be aggressive(ie KILL or fight things). Many people that have certain breeds get them because of the tough, bad boy image. These dogs have been bred for the last 1000 years to fight BULLS or other animals. All terriers were bred to hunt vermin and KILL it. They are aggressive by nature. Even a Jack Russell Terrier was bred to go down in a hole and kill a rodent.

If you were on a burglary call or drug bust in the hood and a 75-100# dog came running at you, what would you do?

I think the problem starts with the dogs owner.

40 posted on 07/07/2014 9:21:35 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: woodbutcher1963
I think the problem starts with the dogs owner.

I don't. I think the problem starts with the militarization of law enforcement; the willingness of the State to engage in open tyranny and murder; and the belief of those who have entrenched themselves within the ranks of said State, that they are now institutionally beyond the danger of open murderous revolt by the vengeance-driven general public against their specific persons. There are a multitudinous array of different sociopolitical miscalculations. Not all are fatal, but some kinds of corrective social changes always have been to those who believe it cannot happen to them. #RomanianTermLimits.
41 posted on 07/07/2014 9:29:29 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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To: woodbutcher1963
I think the problem starts with the dogs owner.

If anyone comes on our property and shoots our dogs then we'll get to see whether or not a shiny piece of metal pinned to someone's chest will stop a .50 round.

44 posted on 07/07/2014 9:35:00 AM PDT by MeganC (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: woodbutcher1963

It appears the problem is that an alarming number of these pet murders didn’t happen in a “’hood” full of gang bangers and vicious dogs running loose in the streets, but in burbs and rural areas where the dogs-whatever their breed-were family pets either chasing squirrels in the woods or hanging out in their fenced yards-also known as “private property”.

Some years ago when I lived in a ‘burb, a neighbor’s Norwegian Elkhound was shot in the fenced yard by a cop who hopped her fence chasing a kid through the neighborhood for dropping a water balloon on the patrol car from a tree along the curb. The cop was fired, and successfully sued by my neighbor till his eyes fell out, which is what should happen.

I live in an isolated rural area-dogs and guns are the first 911 here because the other 911 could easily take 1/2 hour or more to get here, so mastiffs of all kinds are the dog-du-jour here for security along with donkeys and llamas-properties are fenced and gates here are large and kept locked...

There’s no excuse for shooting a pet on private property-both the place and the pet belong to the owner, period, and the idiot who does such a thing deserves a lawsuit, I don’t give a damn who they are...


51 posted on 07/07/2014 9:52:36 AM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: woodbutcher1963
"Most of these dogs are not lap dogs, poodles, golden retrievers or beagles."

That is a fact not in evidence.

And eve if it were true, the circumstances matter greatly.

56 posted on 07/07/2014 10:13:53 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: woodbutcher1963
I think the problem starts with the dogs owner.

How is a dog owner responsible for the actions of a police officer? If the dog is rampaging and is the cause of the disturbance, then perhaps you may be right. But the majority - VAST majority - of these stories involves a dog who is in their own territory. That territory is invaded by the officer. The dog reacts in the way they are supposed to - by trying to protect their territory.

The officers should be subject to any and all available criminal charges whenever they shoot a pet that is not directly involved in the situation. If the officer crosses into the pet's territory, the officer should be liable unless the owner is given opportunity to handle the animal into a safer situation.

It matters not what the breed is - unless you are willing to condemn all for the actions of some. By that reasoning, there are certain ethnic groups that would be fair game amongst humans - and that is a decidedly unconservative stance that I am not willing to embrace. It is the same with canines.

99 posted on 07/09/2014 10:04:19 AM PDT by MortMan (All those in favor of gun control raise both hands!)
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