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Malaysian passenger plane crashes in Ukraine near Russian border: Ifax
Reuters ^ | 17 July 2014 | Alissa de Carbonne

Posted on 07/17/2014 8:24:22 AM PDT by CMB_polarization

A Malaysian passenger airliner with 295 people on board crashed in Ukraine near the Russian border, Interfax cited an aviation industry source as saying on Thursday.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aviation; crash; malaysia; malaysianairlines; mh17; mh370; reset; russia; ukraine
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To: UCANSEE2

Girkin is an unleased asset. A very trigger happy asset.

WHOSE asset depends on who is paying the most.


False. All the “rebel” leaders are Russian nationals. They are controlled by Russia. According to the tapes the “rebels” were on the horn to their GRU controller a few minutes after the shoot down. Putin’s prints are all over this one.


581 posted on 07/17/2014 5:29:25 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: McGruff
Your hero Obama thought it was funny.

Ultimately, Obama's not the one whose men shot down the MH17.

582 posted on 07/17/2014 5:32:02 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: CMB_polarization

Putin blames Ukraine for MH17 disaster
http://www.wlg.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/10282426/Putin-blames-Ukraine-for-MH17-disaster


583 posted on 07/17/2014 5:35:09 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: McGruff

Your hero Obama thought it was funny.

President Barack Obama provoked fury in the U.S. on Thursday by casually devoting less than a minute to the deaths of 295 people aboard a Malaysian airliner, as he began an often jokey 16-minute speech about the need to expand America’s transportation infrastructure.

There are no confirmed American dead, an earlier Reuters report claimed that it was feared that as many as 23 U.S. citizens had perished.
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No you don’t get to shift the blame anywhere else you Russian shite! Your Russian buddies have just killed 300 civilians including 23 Americans and you still want to redirect blame. Your a McTraitor now Ruskie. Piss on you and your FSB misinformation. You support our enemies you own it too Ruskie! Got you pegged.


584 posted on 07/17/2014 5:49:27 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: All

01.03 Malaysia Airlines have moved to stress that the flight route taken by the plane that came down in Ukraine had been declared safe by the UN aviation arm, the International Civil Aviation Organisation.

They also said the International Air Transportation Association “had stated that the airspace the aircraft was traversing was not subject to restrictions”.

The airline said the plane was carrying a total 298 people, including three infants - 283 passengers and 15 crew. It earlier said it had been carrying 295 people which did not account for the three young children.

Netherlands 154
Malaysia 43
Australia 27
Indonesia 12
United Kingdom 9
Germany 4
Belgium 4
Philippines 3
Canada 1
Unverified 41

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10974050/Malaysia-Airlines-plane-crashes-on-Ukraine-Russia-border-live.html


585 posted on 07/17/2014 5:51:11 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: free_life

You needs some meds.


586 posted on 07/17/2014 5:51:20 PM PDT by McGruff (Denial: It's Not Just a River in Egypt)
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To: lodi90

All the “rebel” leaders are Russian nationals. They are controlled by Russia. According to the tapes the “rebels” were on the horn to their GRU controller a few minutes after the shoot down. Putin’s prints are all over this one.
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Exactly, needs to be repeated over and over till these Putinista’s are brought to their knees.


587 posted on 07/17/2014 5:51:59 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: McGruff

No some lead Ruskie!


588 posted on 07/17/2014 5:52:39 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: McGruff

And your words are all over FR ... lies, misinformation, Russian propaganda and unwavering support for these Russian psychopaths and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The friend of our enemy is our enemy.


589 posted on 07/17/2014 5:55:51 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: DTA

Complete and utter horseshit. Air defense experts from all over the globe were looking at crash photos, debris fields and flight tracking data and making the same assessment long before the American official confirmed radar and IR data supporting a SAM launch.

There was no Ukrainian jet in the area and Putin’s plane never went anywhere near Ukrainian airspace.

I expect Freepers to use more rational deductive reasoning and basic common sense. This “Putin’s plane” crap is just that: crap. Easily refuted and serves only to make those who repeat it look like useful fools.


590 posted on 07/17/2014 6:08:17 PM PDT by brothers4thID (Death had to take him sleeping, else he would have put up a fight.)
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To: CMB_polarization

No articles yet on the FR side bar saying that this was a shoot down. Just this article calling this a “crash”.


591 posted on 07/17/2014 6:17:40 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: free_life
No you don’t get to shift the blame anywhere else you Russian shite! Your Russian buddies have just killed 300 civilians including 23 Americans and you still want to redirect blame. Your a McTraitor now Ruskie. Piss on you and your FSB misinformation. You support our enemies you own it too Ruskie! Got you pegged.

I wouldn't get so het up. It's a free country. Pity that the guy can't get past whatever allegiances prevent him from acknowledging this travesty and the problematic behavior (Russian territorial expansion via proxies) that caused it.

592 posted on 07/17/2014 6:25:44 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

This misdirection from those like McGruff may well be to get us off focus on what is coming from our enemy Russia. Putin plays 5 or more moves ahead while Obama hasn’t a clue.

Sure Obama is a enemy to freedom but he has nothing to do with Russia invading other countries or the shooting down of this plane over Ukraine, nor do the imaginary nazis these Russians tools here at FR keep blaming for this war in Europe.

Ask yourself why these Russian tools keep trying to misdirect attention away from Russians and Putin. There is something much bigger coming and we are it’s sights. Russian is rebuilding it’s war machine and empire and it will be at our expense/lives. The sooner we get that the sooner we can prepare.

Putin dreams of the day the US is a smoldering ash heap, destroyed militarily and economically... and Obama may or may not be part of that plan. Is Obama a Putin puppet? Maybe, he sure is doing a good job dismantling America and who benefits the most from our loss of power?

Magog and Gog are positioning themselves and here we are letting Russians tools infiltrate one of the few places geopolitical truth can be had.

Sure there is Obama and the socialists in congress, and the southern border and China who is also our enemy and the courts striping away our constitutional freedoms and much more we must fight BUT Russia is moving and is our enemy and we must not lie idly by being fooled by this FSB propaganda tactics.


593 posted on 07/17/2014 6:52:02 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: McGruff

Interesting video at impact of plane....thought you’d be interested...

Plane caught on film by miners working near where the plane went down...caught it on video just before exploding on the ground........If the plane was shot down wouldn’t there have been visible a fireball in this video and a large smoke trail? I ask because this video shows the plane as it hits the ground and bursts into a fireball then? Wouldn’t the fire exploding at the ground (airplane fuel) indicate the larger body of the plane came down pretty much in one piece? Some bodies were still strapped in their seats on the ground.... and why the air-traffic wasn’t diverted once it was suposedly discovered that the rebels had those missiles? CNN reported this information had been known for a week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hbAirCuNnA


594 posted on 07/17/2014 7:02:41 PM PDT by caww
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To: WhiskeyX

I really don’t put all that much trust of those actually fighting in Ukraine. neither Keiv Gov. nor The Anti-Kiev forces...it’s a war and information always will be framed accordingly.... About all we can do is report from other sources as it comes in .

But this Airliner going down is an ‘International Incident’...so there will be a complete investigation if for no other reason then the families will demand it.

I understand the UN Security Council has called for special session regarding the events and the crash. Not that what they do is significant....but it does indicate this isn’t just about what Ukraine Authorities will report, or other interested parties.


595 posted on 07/17/2014 7:14:48 PM PDT by caww
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To: Mat_Helm

Thank you for your opinions Mat.....I thought this was an interesting video you might deduct something from as well.

Plane caught on film by miners working near where the plane went down...caught it on video just before exploding on the ground........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hbAirCuNnA


596 posted on 07/17/2014 7:18:31 PM PDT by caww
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To: lodi90; All

“our own Freeper tclraf will join the thread to confirm that the rebels do have a Buk-1 capable of shooting this airliner down.”

They do...
At least 2 BUK-M1’s that were taken when the rebels overran the Heavy AA Brigade based in Donetsk last month. It is not known if they have the entire mobile installation operational. From what I have heard of this event, so far, it doesn’t sound like it.

Donetsk militia takes control of Ukrainian anti-air installation
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_29/Donetsk-militia-takes-control-of-Ukrainian-anti-air-installation-1561/

Umfortunately, during the biggest news of an event I have been trying to closely follow, I have been traveling, and without reliable Internet service. I didn’t even hear about this until I was clearing Customs at FLL Exec Airport today.

I literally just walked in the door. Give me a couple of hours to catch up on the news, and I’ll have a better idea of what is happening.

TO ALL:
What became of Drudge’s claim that it might have been an attempt on Putin’s life?


597 posted on 07/17/2014 7:23:12 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: McGruff

There is a spanish airspace-controller who worked in Kiev’s airport at the time of event who saw on his monitor the two Ukrainian aircrafts approach the Malaysian aircraft three minutes ‘before it disappeared from Radar’ .....I suspect as the Authorities investigate his screen will or not prove if this was so or not and assist in the investigation.


598 posted on 07/17/2014 7:26:06 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

“........If the plane was shot down wouldn’t there have been visible a fireball in this video and a large smoke trail?”

Look above the impact point just as the explosion begins. There IS a smoke trail. This isn’t a Hollywood movie, so It is very likely that is all there is to see.

I REALLY don’t want to hear the CVR for this, but I know it wil get out soon.


599 posted on 07/17/2014 7:27:54 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: McGruff

No point in an investigation or arguing who was behind the crash, as CNN and Hillary Clinton solved it in 35 minutes.....LOL... and the BBC is jumping on board as well....... according to them ‘only’ the Russians are responsible by either ordering the take down or supplied the rockets that made it possible..... Of course Hillary has to get her word in ASAP for political purposes....is anyone really listening to her?

MSM is flooded with assumptions and speculations....but carrying Alibama’s water as usual. International news are attempting to gain the facts..but at this point most is speculation.

Interesting hearing those who were actually on the ground when it came down.


600 posted on 07/17/2014 7:32:20 PM PDT by caww
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