Posted on 07/17/2014 11:30:19 PM PDT by tcrlaf
VERY well put.
What bull.... Ukraine can join any alliance it wants, it was counter productive and self destruction to it’s best interests to continue to be aligned with Russia. Geez you sound like a communist, like ths is still Soviet Union days when all vassal states must bow to Moscow and have no sovereignty of their own.
It was Russia who agreed to never take Ukrainian territory or act militarily against Ukraine when Ukraine gave up it’s nukes. What has Russia done? Invaded Ukraine that had taken no action militarily or otherwise against Russia. Ukraine only wanted to build ties with Europe which as a sovereign nation it has every right to do.
You talk like Russia owns Ukraine and Russia acted like it did that is why the Ukrainian people revolted and that revolt was against Russia and Russia’s puppet prez in Ukraine. Ukraine is now partly free from Russia and fighting to be fully free, free people get that commie.
Do I think enemies of America should be locked up? Yes that is one option to stop them, there are other more permanent measures commie.
I think congress should go further and call the Russian govt a terrorist organization.
I am convinced trained active duty Russian military personnel were manning that BUK missile unit and that is why it scurried back across Russian border after this act of terrorism.
The plan may have been to convince the world the Ukrainians shot down the Malaysian plane in a failed attempt to shoot Putin’s plane down. This is how the Russian mind works, just like cold war days, which never ended imo.
Maybe congresses best move is to name the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) a terrorist organization, which would make Russia a state sponsor of terrorism....AND proclaim the Russian govt is a terrorist organization if it is proved that active duty Russian military personnel were manning that BUK missile unit or there was any Russian command structure regarding that BUK. US intel may already have proof of that.
These are tough times for people like you. I’m sure you’re trying hard to find out what the party line is and how to fight the American Running Dog Capitalists. Sadly, Stalin, a real KGB type, poisoned the well for Ukraine. He kind of ruined things for the pan-ultra-nationalist galoots of Russia who’ve glommed onto the blowhard Putin as their champion. Hang in their, comrade. I certainly understand how you feel obligated to post on an American Conservative website, however.
That would be the best move — but of course, Pooty Poot would go right on doing what he was doing before, and his bootlickers would continue to support him, even on FR.
Not tough at all...nor will be in the future. I understand the times and the seasons and they are not dependent on mans ideology.
Putin, Poroshenko, Obama are men who all desire power and authority with a vested interest in Ukraine for it’s resources and location. Caught in the crosshairs are the people in Donestk, which are the least of their concerns. ....We are simply spectators to their desires to win over the other and our pockets books to fund Obamas desires for Ukraine...billions I would add.
Obama is a clown. Putin is Ex-KGB - figure out who will blink.
Next Obama will be renaming The Joint Chiefs Of Staff, The Gay Chiefs of Stiff. We need a congress with backbone and have instead Obama bootlickers.
What I sound like to those as yourself would of course only depend on if you’re seeing these events through biased eyes...and you obviously are. Your reasons for doing so are of zero concern to me as are your rants and raves lace your posts, which come out of a school yard playground mentality.
You appear to think Putin should act according to what your perceptions are that the rest of the world behaves as in any given situation. He does not.... and the worlds leaders certainly have been wise enough to identify Putin will and does his own thing..with or without their approval.
Ukraine people have very little say in how their nation goes, it’s obvious Kiev Army is resisting fighting for the administration as they now must force recruits to fight for them and stretched so thin they have to use militias outside the country., and equally obvious Anti-Kiev fighters oppose the current administration Of Ukraine. Poroshenko’s days are limited unless he can turn this around....obvious he has no control at this juncture.
Ukraine will never be more than a debtor nation under the EU, which is the plan. Thus they will use Ukraine as leverage when they see fit down the road as it continues it’s path to join the EU. Freedom is what Donestk is fighting for....but there will be nothing left there once Porshenko’s done with his bombing.
Once the dust settles corporate outside entities will come in, 9already earmarked and waiting to lap it up) and keep the cash flowing from IMF..to ..Kiev Gov...(where they will take their cut)...and then onward to the corporations. It’s a great deal for the elites.
Ukraine people will be afforded just enough to keep them engaged with the plans...until they wise up, yet again, and the next Maidan will ensue....round and round they go...it is their pattern.
For any mistakes Ukrainians may have made or may make in the future it is it’s own country to make decisions for good or bad, not as a vassal state of Russia. That is called self determination and worth fighting for. You don’t get it with your Russian mentality. Freedom is more than just a word to be bantered about.
You are Russian correct? Or are you ashamed to admit it? Or Slavic nationality that was under old Soviet Empire.
There would be no war in Ukraine if Putin had not invaded and armed the thugs who are a minority in eastern Ukraine.
It is about Ukraine going it’s own way and making ties to Europe that started this and exposed the puppet President in Ukraine and Russian agents in a great many positions of power in Ukraine. Russia is shrinking and it is Putin that has brought that on because of personal greed for himself and his oligraths. The Russian Empire is dead but the aspirations of that evil Empire live on.
You are pissed because Ukrainians want to shed themselves of Russia, your homeland. Well pee on you Ruskie, I don’t care about your Russian politics and aspirations and neither do the Ukrainians. One thing is for sure the only way Ukrainians will be under Russia’s thumb again is a full invasion by Russia and that is the stuff of the next world war.
Somehow I don't think the raving of a lying Putinista such as yourself, who has pathologically repeated every single lie the Russkies have had to put out, who has demonstrated again and again that he does not have the moral sense to stop parroting the feces he reads on Russian media, and actively gets angry when we point out to him that Russian media lies, should be something we should be all that concerned about.
A debris field of 6+ miles indicates the aircraft broke up at cruising altitude. Had it survived and crashed in one location, most of the evidence would have been vaporized. Something along the lines of United Airlines Flight 93 near Shanksville PA, during 9-11.
Apparently certain areas of the plane escaped the direct missile strike and crashed without disturbing luggage and various other paraphernalia from within the plane.
There would be no war there if the US/EU hadn't funded and orchestrated a coup.....it's that simple. Maidan lost what they wanted as they were hijacked pretty much from the get go. Poroshenko was well lined up to be the US man of the hour long before the election......his entrance to the arena was timed perfectly.
I could care less what happens to Ukrainians who have opted to go with the EU.....it won't be the first time they've shot off their own foot when they had the opportunity for a more favorable ending for it's citizens....they just can't seem to handle their own affairs without pleading for yet another "rescue" to the highest bidder........and when you put your hand in someone else's pocket, as they've done, you are not "free", you are bound.
Its so nice you have that much empathy for Ukraine.
I mean, the bullshit is just dropping when you write.
If you don’t care that much about ukraine, why support Russia’s attack and takeover of the country? Why is it so important to takeover a sovereign nation?
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