Posted on 07/21/2014 1:16:53 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
As I recall, rubles terribly inflated an the awful hatred of Boris Yeltsin was brought Putin to power. After that, the Russian media is pretty much shilling for him along with our NSA defector Eddie being his cheerleader.
I’ve considered that angle.
I’ve considered the possibility that the Russian Separatists were justified in their rebellion, and they are now legitimately in control of that area, and for the defense of their military forces had to exert air superiority, then supremacy, then even domination, and shot down the airliner even out of mistaken identity, with perhaps the MH17 not pinging proper IFF.
The stolen credit cards, fraudulent use of them, bodily mishandling of the dead, and refusal to allow others into the 9 mile debris zone simply manifests lack of disciplined legitimate authority.
They are what they appear. Fraudulent, criminal rebellious thugs.
They haven’t changed much since the ‘60s.
There would be little to no civil strife in the Ukraine at this point if Putin wasn't busy arming the "separatists", providing them training, heavy weapons, etc. Those that say differently were probably the same people that claimed Russia didn't have its forces in Crimea. I remember Putinista's buying into that nonsense, or at least pretending they believed it. The lie became clear to all when Russia annexed it.
This is not some home grown insurgency, it is Russian backed and financed thugs who have zero legitimacy. I am pretty sure many of the so called leaders aren't even from the Ukraine at all.
This civilian plane was almost certainly brought down by mistake as this does not help the "separatists" or Putin. Either Putin/Russian trained "separatists" or Russian operators themselves made a careless, stupid mistake believing this was a Ukrainian transport. This weapon should never have been handed to "separatists" and Putin has blood on his hands for this one. No way around it.
They are what they appear. Fraudulent, criminal rebellious thugs.
Somewhere between 50%-80% of the “rebels” are Russian nationals. All the top leaders are Russian nationals with documented FSB or GRU links. There is little authentically rebellious about Putin’s war in Ukraine. It is an astroturfed campaign made and managed in Moscow.
I am pretty sure many of the so called leaders aren’t even from the Ukraine at all.
Prime minister of Putinland Borodai and Strelkov/Girkin are from Moscow. One other leader who just “resigned” was Ukrainian. He sent his resignation letter from Russia. Probably in Siberia now. The new Putinland Deputy PM just appointed is an FSB guy wanted in Latvia for a coup attempt and murders in 1991.
As you can see, our local Putinists keep good company.
#17:What are your sources re the Ukrainian govt is moving BUK units into eastern Ukraine? And why? The Soviet-created insurgents don’t have any fighters or bombers that I know of. Did they capture any in Donestk, etc?
The BUK units, either Soviet or captured Ukrainian ones (according to one unverified report), would be well guarded by the GRU-led “insurgents”. Strelkov is no amateur, unlike Obama.
A BUK complex, like that of the old SAM II/III systems, has a number of units - trucks/radar, missiles/chassis, etc. in order to function properly. These are not “shoot and scoot” MANPAD missiles.
And they'll want to talk about anything but Putin's, completely irresponsibly, giving these heavy anti air weapons to a bunch of goons - that is if Russian operators themselves aren't responsible for this.
If you listen to the Putinista's here you'd believe the Ukraine is over run with Right Sector neo-con fascists secretly backed by some NATO/banker conspiracy. It's an odd combination they are pushing. Jewish fascists? Really? And never mind that Right Sector got a whopping 2% of the vote in the most recent election.
and a lot of keyboards on social media.
Oh noz, that proves I support Obama. What ever will I do? The retard Putinista really showed me.
The Russian Defense Ministry released satellite photos of Ukrainian BUK mobile missle batteries in position on the outskirts of Luhansk as of July 14th 2014. The Russians also called on the United States, which they know has a satellite active in the area, to release their satellite photos as well.
As to why the Ukrainians would have moved BUK systems into eastern Ukraine and who's control they are under there, its anyone's guess. We do know that the Ukrainian Defense Ministry and the Ukrainian Interior Ministry have given conflicting accounts about their presence there.
The bottom line is that the Russians have made specific claims about Ukrainian BUK radar activity from specific locations in eastern Ukraine and backed those claims up with satellite images that support their position.
Time for the US to do the same.
The airliner wasn’t shot down in Luhansk. It was shot down in Donetsk, in the middle of Russky terorist held territory. That’s why the Russky liars said it was shot down by a Ukrainian jet, because it couldn’t have been a Ukrainian SAM, so it must have been a jet. That’s the problem with you Putinistas, you just can’t get your story straight.
Who benefits most from this?
Hey! Everyone has stopped axeing questions about the IRS and its White House connections! AWESOME!
Obama's @ss-lampreys at NBC"News" wrote that line with a straight face...
Actually, that’s not true. The IRS hearings are continuing. If you are not interested in this story, then by all means, pay no attention to it and keep your stupid comments to yourself.
It's ALL aces for the Obama administration, even though Barry can't seem to find his Big Girl panties...
Our media supports Obama because they choose to. The Russian media supports Putin because they have no choice.
They lost the satellite back-up videos...
The Russian Defense Ministry briefing today included satellite photos that showed one of the Ukrainian BUK mobile missile trucks that was in position outside Luhansk on July 14th went missing from its position on July 18th.
This evidence was presented in support of the specific Russian Defense Ministry assertion immediately after the plane crash that Ukrainian BUK missile batteries were active on July 18th.
So its the puppet regime in Kiev and their CIA handlers who need to get their story straight Joe, starting with the release of the July 18 GTA transcripts which were seized by Ukrainian Security Services.
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