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Russian Media on Downed Airliner: The CIA Did It
nbcnews.com ^ | July 21, 2014

Posted on 07/21/2014 1:16:53 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

Just one day after the horrific tragedy that left 298 people dead, Russia's Channel One ran a package telling its audience that the entire incident was orchestrated by the United States, specifically by the CIA. A document was broadcast purportedly showing that the U.S. was planning to do the same thing during the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.

Viewers learned that the "U.S. orchestrated this because Ukrainian government is not sophisticated enough to orchestrate this," according to the broadcast, which was translated from the original Russian by CNBC. According to Channel One, Russia's swift economic growth has inspired the United States to try to damage Russia's economy.

The government of Russian President Vladimir Putin financially supports and editorially controls a domestic media machine that has become reminiscent of the Soviet propaganda machine, and the former KGB agent has shut down most independent news channels that may stray from the Kremlin line.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Russia
KEYWORDS: 201407; amnesty; brennan; diversion; eu; imf; mh17; putin; samanthapower; setuprussia; soros; ukraine
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To: Sam Gamgee

As I recall, rubles terribly inflated an the awful hatred of Boris Yeltsin was brought Putin to power. After that, the Russian media is pretty much shilling for him along with our NSA defector Eddie being his cheerleader.


41 posted on 07/21/2014 3:41:43 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I’ve considered that angle.

I’ve considered the possibility that the Russian Separatists were justified in their rebellion, and they are now legitimately in control of that area, and for the defense of their military forces had to exert air superiority, then supremacy, then even domination, and shot down the airliner even out of mistaken identity, with perhaps the MH17 not pinging proper IFF.

The stolen credit cards, fraudulent use of them, bodily mishandling of the dead, and refusal to allow others into the 9 mile debris zone simply manifests lack of disciplined legitimate authority.

They are what they appear. Fraudulent, criminal rebellious thugs.


42 posted on 07/21/2014 3:49:04 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

They haven’t changed much since the ‘60s.


43 posted on 07/21/2014 4:20:51 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" --"Deacon," "Waterworld")
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To: Cvengr
They are what they appear. Fraudulent, criminal rebellious thugs.

There would be little to no civil strife in the Ukraine at this point if Putin wasn't busy arming the "separatists", providing them training, heavy weapons, etc. Those that say differently were probably the same people that claimed Russia didn't have its forces in Crimea. I remember Putinista's buying into that nonsense, or at least pretending they believed it. The lie became clear to all when Russia annexed it.

This is not some home grown insurgency, it is Russian backed and financed thugs who have zero legitimacy. I am pretty sure many of the so called leaders aren't even from the Ukraine at all.

This civilian plane was almost certainly brought down by mistake as this does not help the "separatists" or Putin. Either Putin/Russian trained "separatists" or Russian operators themselves made a careless, stupid mistake believing this was a Ukrainian transport. This weapon should never have been handed to "separatists" and Putin has blood on his hands for this one. No way around it.

44 posted on 07/21/2014 4:28:39 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Cvengr

They are what they appear. Fraudulent, criminal rebellious thugs.


Somewhere between 50%-80% of the “rebels” are Russian nationals. All the top leaders are Russian nationals with documented FSB or GRU links. There is little authentically rebellious about Putin’s war in Ukraine. It is an astroturfed campaign made and managed in Moscow.


45 posted on 07/21/2014 4:31:38 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Longbow1969

I am pretty sure many of the so called leaders aren’t even from the Ukraine at all.


Prime minister of Putinland Borodai and Strelkov/Girkin are from Moscow. One other leader who just “resigned” was Ukrainian. He sent his resignation letter from Russia. Probably in Siberia now. The new Putinland Deputy PM just appointed is an FSB guy wanted in Latvia for a coup attempt and murders in 1991.

As you can see, our local Putinists keep good company.


46 posted on 07/21/2014 4:41:15 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: mac_truck

#17:What are your sources re the Ukrainian govt is moving BUK units into eastern Ukraine? And why? The Soviet-created insurgents don’t have any fighters or bombers that I know of. Did they capture any in Donestk, etc?

The BUK units, either Soviet or captured Ukrainian ones (according to one unverified report), would be well guarded by the GRU-led “insurgents”. Strelkov is no amateur, unlike Obama.

A BUK complex, like that of the old SAM II/III systems, has a number of units - trucks/radar, missiles/chassis, etc. in order to function properly. These are not “shoot and scoot” MANPAD missiles.


47 posted on 07/21/2014 4:53:20 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: lodi90
As you can see, our local Putinists keep good company.

And they'll want to talk about anything but Putin's, completely irresponsibly, giving these heavy anti air weapons to a bunch of goons - that is if Russian operators themselves aren't responsible for this.

If you listen to the Putinista's here you'd believe the Ukraine is over run with Right Sector neo-con fascists secretly backed by some NATO/banker conspiracy. It's an odd combination they are pushing. Jewish fascists? Really? And never mind that Right Sector got a whopping 2% of the vote in the most recent election.

48 posted on 07/21/2014 4:53:57 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The government of Russian President Vladimir Putin financially supports and editorially controls a domestic media machine ...

and a lot of keyboards on social media.

49 posted on 07/21/2014 4:56:02 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
No tinfoil is needed to catch you lying again. HERE is a clip from today's State Dept. press briefing to demonstrate how closely your rhetoric matches Marie Harf's.
50 posted on 07/21/2014 5:38:13 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck
No tinfoil is needed to catch you lying again. HERE is a clip from today's State Dept. press briefing to demonstrate how closely your rhetoric matches Marie Harf's.

Oh noz, that proves I support Obama. What ever will I do? The retard Putinista really showed me.

51 posted on 07/21/2014 5:56:17 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
What are your sources re the Ukrainian govt is moving BUK units into eastern Ukraine?

The Russian Defense Ministry released satellite photos of Ukrainian BUK mobile missle batteries in position on the outskirts of Luhansk as of July 14th 2014. The Russians also called on the United States, which they know has a satellite active in the area, to release their satellite photos as well.

As to why the Ukrainians would have moved BUK systems into eastern Ukraine and who's control they are under there, its anyone's guess. We do know that the Ukrainian Defense Ministry and the Ukrainian Interior Ministry have given conflicting accounts about their presence there.

The bottom line is that the Russians have made specific claims about Ukrainian BUK radar activity from specific locations in eastern Ukraine and backed those claims up with satellite images that support their position.

Time for the US to do the same.

52 posted on 07/21/2014 6:03:41 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

The airliner wasn’t shot down in Luhansk. It was shot down in Donetsk, in the middle of Russky terorist held territory. That’s why the Russky liars said it was shot down by a Ukrainian jet, because it couldn’t have been a Ukrainian SAM, so it must have been a jet. That’s the problem with you Putinistas, you just can’t get your story straight.


53 posted on 07/21/2014 6:36:34 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The only thing I will note is:

Who benefits most from this?

Hey! Everyone has stopped axeing questions about the IRS and its White House connections! AWESOME!

54 posted on 07/21/2014 7:01:47 PM PDT by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The government of Russian President Vladimir Putin financially supports and editorially controls a domestic media machine that has become reminiscent of the Soviet propaganda machine, and the former KGB agent has shut down most independent news channels that may stray from the Kremlin line.

Obama's @ss-lampreys at NBC"News" wrote that line with a straight face...

55 posted on 07/21/2014 7:03:26 PM PDT by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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To: kiryandil

Actually, that’s not true. The IRS hearings are continuing. If you are not interested in this story, then by all means, pay no attention to it and keep your stupid comments to yourself.


56 posted on 07/21/2014 7:04:29 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: redgolum
And what is the upside for the CIA?

It's ALL aces for the Obama administration, even though Barry can't seem to find his Big Girl panties...

57 posted on 07/21/2014 7:05:58 PM PDT by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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To: kiryandil

Our media supports Obama because they choose to. The Russian media supports Putin because they have no choice.


58 posted on 07/21/2014 7:06:18 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: mac_truck
Time for the US to do the same.

They lost the satellite back-up videos...

59 posted on 07/21/2014 7:21:35 PM PDT by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The Russian Defense Ministry briefing today included satellite photos that showed one of the Ukrainian BUK mobile missile trucks that was in position outside Luhansk on July 14th went missing from its position on July 18th.

This evidence was presented in support of the specific Russian Defense Ministry assertion immediately after the plane crash that Ukrainian BUK missile batteries were active on July 18th.

So its the puppet regime in Kiev and their CIA handlers who need to get their story straight Joe, starting with the release of the July 18 GTA transcripts which were seized by Ukrainian Security Services.


60 posted on 07/21/2014 7:27:07 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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