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Perry Announces Details Of Texas National Guard Border Deployment
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Posted on 07/22/2014 6:23:14 AM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins
“I think Perry deserves credit.”
I agree. This action is going to cost the State of Texas a great deal of money.
I am hoping, as I am sure Gov. Perry is, that this will “shame” the POTUS into action. However, I doubt it will.
BTW - IF this was truly an “invasion” of our country (in the military sense) then the Regular Army could be legally used to repel it. I do not think the courts would consider the current situation to be such that regulars could be used because it isn’t a real “threat” to national security that requires a military force.(I would not agree with them though)
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posted on
07/22/2014 10:45:55 AM PDT
by
Sola Veritas
(Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
To: Graewoulf
vs. whom?
he’s had a Cold War going with me and just about everyone on this forum from day one.
To: Sola Veritas
As I read the Constitution, it appears to be the state’s decision whether they are being invaded or not.
Article 1, Section 10: “No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay”
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posted on
07/22/2014 10:53:06 AM PDT
by
xzins
( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
To: xzins; Lakeshark
Obviously, my being a Christian minister, I believe in the change that comes with conversion, new birth. But, I also believe in giving people a shot at changing behavior. It can be done. Perry seems to be showing a change in what he believes about the border.
Xzins, up-thread you started this conversation by pointing out that we rarely, if ever, disagree on the issues, and you are correct in that statement. I also believe in second chances as all Christians do.
That being said, we do not have the luxury of being wrong on Amnesty, and as I already posted to you upthread, the sum total of Perry's actions on all issues Immigration related prove that he is an "Open Borders" advocate. Furthermore, it is clear from this half-hearted action on this issue, that he hasn't changed. The proof is in the fact that his own staff reported that he had the authority to APPREHEND all of these illegals and he chose not too. He does not want to solve this issue in the manner that is correct, righteous and moral, and that means deportation not matter how emotional that action maybe or how much the left and the media will hate him for it and already hates us for taking that position.
With regards to my comment concerning not having the luxury to get it wrong on Amnesty, we don't. If Perry, Rand Paul, Bush, Marco Rubio, etc. as President pass Comprehensive Immigration Reform (A.K.A. Amnesty) we lose the country, period.
There is no coming back from that as it will dump 30+ million undocumented Democrats into the electorate and remove any possibility of a conservative gaining the Presidency.
84
posted on
07/22/2014 10:57:56 AM PDT
by
SoConPubbie
(Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
To: SoConPubbie
You have for a long time, been a FRiend here on Free Republic. I’ll read you research, and I’ll take your opinions seriously because you obviously care.
I do agree with Lakeshark that we need to be careful not to kill of viable conservatives and leave the field to the liberal establishment types by default.
Perry is right on so much that is important to me. Especially on Jesus, prayer, religion, life. I hope he’s not misinterpreting Old Testament instructions regarding aliens in the land of Israel.
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posted on
07/22/2014 11:06:59 AM PDT
by
xzins
( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
To: Lakeshark
Should have pinged you to 85
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posted on
07/22/2014 11:07:43 AM PDT
by
xzins
( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
To: Lakeshark; xzins
It's fine to vet, what you appear to be doing is criticizing another candidate for doing something good. That's circular firing squad stuff, and one of the many reasons we are perpetual losers.
Nope.
I'm simply trying to counter the spin and provide some objectivity here. He went half of the way when he could have done everything that was legal and that he was authorized to do, up to and including Apprehending ALL of them.
Even his staff admitted as much:
Perrys office has said the Guard will largely play a role of deter and refer deter border crime by their visible presence along the border and refer illegal acts, including border crossings, to law enforcement. They dont plan to apprehend illegal immigrants, though, technically, they could, said Texas Adjutant General John Nichols.
When you KNOW to do something right, and choose not to do it, that is the same as choosing to do something wrong.
This is not leadership, this is grandstanding.
Fool me once, shame on you (GWB), fool me twice, shame on me!
John 10:1
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
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posted on
07/22/2014 11:11:34 AM PDT
by
SoConPubbie
(Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
To: SoConPubbie; xzins
I am as anti amnesty as you, and suspect XZINS is as well. It is important Not to exaggerate the records and statements of Walker and Perry just to give Cruz a boost, as he hasn’t focused on this issue nearly as much as he should have either. It’s most important we not do the things that the ex poster pissant did when he couldn’t stop people from choosing Palin as their favorite.
To: xzins
Again another disappointment by my governor.
Why does he not catch these illegal invaders when he sees them, turn them back at the river and say Vamos...
Anyone can be trained to see, call and back away. Does not take the NG to do this. We need them to be locked and loaded sitting on the river turning back this tide. Leave the observing to someone else, civilian group for instance.
More of our tax dollar pissed away....
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posted on
07/22/2014 11:16:38 AM PDT
by
eartick
(Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Right!
The only people Obama absolutely HATES are Americans - - - - .
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posted on
07/22/2014 11:33:25 AM PDT
by
Graewoulf
(Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
To: SoConPubbie
Thank you for posting this information.
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posted on
07/22/2014 12:21:49 PM PDT
by
Faith65
(Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
To: xzins
Guard units train one weekend a month, more or less, and activate for at least two weeks per year for more intense refresher training. If Perry and his brain trust are clever they should be able to do a bunch of re-scheduling and leap-frogging of regular drills to minimize the financial effects of a mobilization. But Perry said he would send the Fedgov the bill for the stand-up anyway so I assume he already has that paperwork going. In either case money can’t be used as an excuse for foot-dragging-—there’s plenty of it-—like, oh, say, pulling a billion out of the EPA. Just to throw a dart at an overfed gummint.
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posted on
07/22/2014 12:52:12 PM PDT
by
cherokee1
(skip the names---just kick the buttz)
To: cherokee1
I don’t think they can dodge around the training requirements to have the Fed pay for their border duty. My memory is that NG training listed date/time and PLACE of duty.
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posted on
07/22/2014 2:25:02 PM PDT
by
xzins
( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
To: SoConPubbie
Well listen to you, my suggestion a few days ago was to give each kid a bottle of water and a sandwich and bus ‘em back home.
We are not far apart, imagine that! Unless you are not in favor of the free sandwich.
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posted on
07/22/2014 2:39:43 PM PDT
by
Ditter
To: Ditter
We are not far apart, imagine that! Unless you are not in favor of the free sandwich.
Nothing wrong with charity, but we must guard against politicians using this situation for their own personal gain and those who mistake emotion for charity or even Christianity.
Charity MUST NOT override justice.
With God, both must be satisfied.
Hence, he sent our Lord and Savior to pay the price for us and only then, after that price had been paid, would he allow himself to forgive us.
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posted on
07/22/2014 2:49:32 PM PDT
by
SoConPubbie
(Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
To: Ditter
What would really be good to know is the actual ‘law of the land’ with regards to illegals,
how they are to be processed, by whom, how they are to be detained or returned to their
country, who’s responsible for each part, etc. I know there is an immigration process,
paperwork, submit, wait your turn but this is beyond that since these are coming
into the country without following those procedures.
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posted on
07/22/2014 2:52:28 PM PDT
by
deport
To: Lakeshark; xzins
I am as anti amnesty as you, and suspect XZINS is as well. It is important Not to exaggerate the records and statements of Walker and Perry just to give Cruz a boost, as he hasnt focused on this issue nearly as much as he should have either. Its most important we not do the things that the ex poster pissant did when he couldnt stop people from choosing Palin as their favorite.
Then we have a disagreement on this issue, since I am not exaggerating anyone's record on this issue and I have only posted their records.
Perry has an extensive record of Open-Border/Pro-Amnesty behavior as I posted up thread. Walker only let his guard down once, but it was extremely telling.
I don't doubt that both of you are as Anti-Amnesty as I am.
However, be careful that you completely vet, in your own mind, each of the candidates on this issue.
GWB downplayed this in the primaries leading to the 2000 election. And look how bad he was on this issue.
Perry, given the proof I have posted up-thread, is just as bad.
Read through that post Lakeshark and see if you don't agree.
I believe that Walker is just as bad on this issue as well given his statements in the youtube I have posted regularly, but there is not much proof otherwise. On most other things, with the exception of soft-peddling social issues and opting for the false solution of States Rights where gay marriage is concerned, he is great. But those two things in combination with his weakness on the Amnesty issue is telling.
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posted on
07/22/2014 2:57:20 PM PDT
by
SoConPubbie
(Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
To: SoConPubbie; Lakeshark
My sense is that the primaries will determine the republican candidate. The candidate with the most delegates will again be the nominee. We will know pretty early whether: (1) Cruz will even run, and (2) whether his opponents will fashion an attack against him that will turn Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina against him. If they do, then he’ll not be the nominee.
What we all need to do is have a #2 candidate in case Cruz doesn’t make it. I will not vote for a fake conservative, but I will vote for the MOST consistently conservative throughout his lifetime. (I’d love to get to vote for Jeff Sessions, but I don’t think he’ll run.)
I need to decide early on who those are acceptable alternate candidates are. I really don’t want Hillary or Warren or Moonbeam or Biden or Michelle.
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posted on
07/22/2014 3:05:10 PM PDT
by
xzins
( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
To: SoConPubbie
They dont plan to apprehend illegal immigrants, though, technically,
they could, said Texas Adjutant General John Nichols.
We would need more than 1k, in fact 20k would be the perfect number.
Perry should be taking more action. He's being to hesitant and it will hurt
him more than give him credit if he chooses to run in 2016.
Perry needs to create a bigger stink and throw blame where it belongs
instead of trying to play that Damn nice guy crap. Dems do not play nicey nice, PERRY!
They are laughing at you picking up the lunch tray they knocked into your lap.
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posted on
07/22/2014 3:08:11 PM PDT
by
MaxMax
(Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
To: SoConPubbie; xzins
I do believe you are exaggerating here, and I think you ought to consider deeply doing so no longer.
I watched pissant go literally mad attacking Sarah Palin, just because his preferred candidate did not have her capacity; every once in a while I STILL have to correct one of those who believes that PALIN is an open borders amnesty shill as a result of his spamming the same kind of nonsense.
Like I said earlier, this is one of the reasons we as conservatives have become losers. Dealing in exaggeration to help take down another decent candidate is simply wrong, and I say this as a loyal Cruz fan.
Don't go the way of pissant, Cruz doesn't need that, rather he needs you to point out his many genuine strengths.
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