Posted on 07/30/2014 8:30:49 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
I don’t see how a Christian who has read the Bible can not understand this issue.
Embracing queer “marriage”-—trying to normalize an abomination in the eyes of God-—will be the death of the nation.
I don’t care how queers vote. Loyalty to God comes before anything else.
I'm giving up on this issue...
Now, last post. I understand your views.
Jesus taught His followers how/what to judge under this temporal earthly realm; which your Pastor seems oblivious to the difference of eternal judgement and earthly discernment along with righteous stewardship God expects us to adhere to.
Your parents were wrong.
Every Christian has to make moral judgments in order to discern between right and wrong, or else we fall into the trap of watering down the Gospel because we're afraid we might offend someone, might not be "nice" enough.
Scripture is full of exhortations to judge properly. Jesus said this: "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." –John 7:24
Also: "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." (1 Cor 2:15)
Matthew 7 1-5 is most often misused to try and claim Christians shouldn't judge, but only the first part is ever quoted. In it, Jesus is saying that we need to make sure we ourselves aren't taking part in the same sin we plan to judge. Once we do that, He finishes the passage by saying, "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."
He is telling us HOW to judge.
You think sitting in a church where queer marriage is accepted--pretty much spitting in the face of God--is funny? Yeah, I see your problem.
" The church we go to is a mega church and very conservative,"
It isn't conservative if your pastor has no problem with queer behavior being normalized.
" but as he said, "God will be the judge on how we conduct our life."
Your pastor apparently doesn't understand that while Jesus will be our ultimate judge when it comes to our eternal destination, Scripture tells us over and over again TO make righteous judgments, as provided by the examples I gave you, and more. Sounds like he doesn't have the courage to preach against queers.
"Personally, he doesn't preach for or against gay issues, but most political issues today, he does. Today it was Israel and Hamas.
Yet the issue of normalizing and embracing an abomination to God is something which should be preached about.
It can grow all it wants; doesn't matter to me. My loyalty is to God and His principles before any election, candidate, or political party. Embrace immorality all you want, but you'll stand before the same Judge I will.
Maybe He'll accept your explanation that politics came before Him.
I agree true marriage is the creation of God and defined eternally in terms of the man-woman-God Famly unit.
The Government never had any legitimate right to break this union just as they never really had any legitimate role in its formation. But what I mean to say is quite simple. People today have forgotten what actual marriage is.
The Concept of true marrage is now forgin while an imposter concept which bares only stronger resimblance to a sinfull friendship fling has been redefined to take its place.
You know what that means? It means there is a void in socity in place of a great need for an institution where true Marrage once stood.
I Hope you beleive me and in marrage enough to know that there is a great need for this and people particular ladies with children have a great desire for it, although now they know not what to call it. Some have even forgotten what it means, and have as such given up.
What I propose is that we reintroduce this institution in its pure form thou our churches as it was in the old days before the State bumped its ugly and corrupt head in. We lay down very strict rules and in public even given it a different name as to throw the liberals off. But in private we should all know what this is. This is holy marriage, and family as it was for eons.
I think the modern concept that has usurped the name of marriage is different enough that our ‘new’ institution to solve family problems may even be recognized as such by the hateful and forever jealous left.
But our culture needs this constitution and in the years to come, as their bastardized example falls apart our culture and despondence will need this alternative all the more.
This is how we restore marriage, with stricter rules and cultural commitment to the institution as defined by God! Let the left have the word for it is but a bunch of letters. Let them even believe that they should not want to be part of our institution which is for true believers and men & Women honestly committed to each-other, God and family.
Then finally let us ask for that certificate rather than the meaningless State one as validation of their union, and the untouchable of its members.
This is only a ‘new’ invention to those who don’t know what real marriage is. For the rest of us this is a reintroduction, and a alternative. So let us find it a new name, and let us promote it among the faithful as the new Standard.
You’re back trolling this thread with your pro gay liberal agenda?
Good grief.
That said, even a Republican Christian politician here in Hillsborough County, said in the Tampa Tribune that (asking about gay marriage in the article) said it's hard for him to change position, but he knows in his race (he got term limited from his safe district seat, so he is running county wind and Hillsborough County is not as Conservative as his old seat. Thou the term limited politician was an R) he needs to keep an open mind.
Why? What is wrong with morality? Morality has worked just fine for thousands of years, why change it?
I know here on FR I'm in the minority.
You are in the minority because you are supporting the leftist position.
That said, I'm sorry that I'm fighting here, we should fight liberals - not conservatives.
YOU are the one pushing same-sex "marriage" and that makes YOU a liberal.
That said, even a Republican Christian politician here in Hillsborough County, said in the Tampa Tribune that (asking about gay marriage in the article) said it's hard for him to change position, but he knows in his race (he got term limited from his safe district seat, so he is running county wind and Hillsborough County is not as Conservative as his old seat. Thou the term limited politician was an R) he needs to keep an open mind.
This is about RIGHT and WRONG, winning elections doesn't mean a damn thing if our Republic is destroyed in the process. You and all the leftist RINOs seem to think that electing someone with an "R" after their name is all that matters, but it doesn't when they vote with the Democrats.
Then please leave Free Republic.
Yes, I know most here are religious, and I respect you all for it.
Obviously you RESENT us all for it.
the term limited politician was an R) he needs to keep an open mind.
In other words he has to prostitute himself and surrender his morals in order to get elected. And you want someone like that representing you? Of course you do. You are an a-moral self absorbed relativist who pretends to be a conservative.
I don't think he's actually pretending to be a conservative; perhaps a RINO, but not a conservative.
You already called "enough" when you said you'd made your last post on the subject, but here you are.
" I know here on FR I'm in the minority. That said, I'm sorry that I'm fighting here, we should fight liberals - not conservatives."
If you see no problem with queer marriage, you aren't conservative.
" Yes, I know most here are religious, and I respect you all for it."
"You?" Why not "we"? If you exclude yourself from the religious here at FR, what was all the talk about your mega church and your pastor?
"That said, even a Republican Christian politician here in Hillsborough County, said in the Tampa Tribune that (asking about gay marriage in the article) said it's hard for him to change position, but he knows in his race (he got term limited from his safe district seat, so he is running county wind and Hillsborough County is not as Conservative as his old seat. Thou the term limited politician was an R) he needs to keep an open mind."
First of all, I don't give a rip what any Republican does. At some point, the GOP will issue blanket acceptance of queer marriage. Why on earth would that influence my principles?
I have news for you---your Republican politician is no Christian if he's willing to jettison his beliefs in order to win elections. What the hell good are principles if they're disposable?
God's mind is not "open" when it comes to homosexuality. He calls it wicked, detestable, degrading, unnatural, indecent, depraved, and an abomination. Pretty clear-cut, yes? No one can claim other views and claim Jesus at the same time.
Do not push it on FR!
fighting against high taxes (THEFT) and government debt (present/future theft) is also a moral issue, isn't it?
Jim, I am a conservative. I might not be accepted by FReepers, because of this issue. Sorry... I have friends, business associates and family members who are gay. I know FR is a moral site, so I guess I’ll comment on this issue only when companies (like Target) is trying to force it down our throats. This issue is hard on me.
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