Here is a revealing photo of the African capabilities.
Posted on 08/02/2014 12:16:55 PM PDT by chessplayer
It's a known transmission mechanism, especially in Africa.
When someone dies, family members gather to wash the body for burial. This and other direct contact mechanisms with the victims of the disease before and after death is the mechanism of transmittal in the populace.
I have already addressed the transmission with the health workers.
So the mechanism is direct contact with a infected person. It is not known to be airborne or even contracted through the respiratory system.
Bodily fluids, plain and simple. And it's not nearly as bad as the flu in that regard, as the respiratory system is not involved.
Did you seriously say that “GIs have top notch med facilities the world over”??
Maybe so, but not stateside. Ill GIs would, indeed, probably be better off staying abroad.
(And the WHO does say the ebola outbreak is out of control — in Africa’s primitive society, not here. Another reason to bring American missionaries home. The two patients/research subjects at Emory pose less danger to you than some of your neighbors do.)
How would you even get someone in that get up onto a gurney?
Think about it: if he can walk, and is well enough to travel that very long distance, he’s better than one would have expected. I pray with all my heart that he recovers fully.
I’m not aware of all these top notch facilities the world over for our military, I know that we often transfer some to our facilities in Germany before we can get them here.
I have never heard anything that implied that not getting our seriously injured and ill home to our best hospitals was OK, because we already have it all over the world where they serve.
Did he stand up all the way from Africa?
He was probably in some kind of isolated roomette, rather than that getup, for the flight. He’s probably not wearing it in his room, either.
Many years ago one of my sons was @ Johns Hopkins, and contracted some bug, requiring isolation. They had a special, fully glass enclosed room for him to stay in until the contagious period had passed. It would be easy enough to have something like that constructed on the plane, if such didn’t already exist, which one would assume it does.
just saw this:
“Dr Kent Brantly of Texas was transported to the Emory University hospital in Atlanta, where he will be quarantined in a sophisticated isolation unit. He returned to the US in a private jet outfitted with a containment tent.
“Transport of the second aid worker, the South Carolina missionary Nancy Writebol, is expected to be completed early in the week. She is also expected to be treated at Emory. Writebol is travelling later because the jet is only designed to carry one patient at a time.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3188291/posts
That article you linked to helps explain why the primitive medical conditions in Africa is totally different from being treated here.
I think he probably got infected from being around someone who had the disease before they fully displayed symptoms. Probably had no hazmat gear on. Like, for instance, you and I go to lunch. I may feel a little under the weather...but I still go. You shake my hand...that I just sneezed into. Of course I don’t know that for a fact but it makes sense to me.
I could be proven wrong...but I really don’t think this country is going to suffer an epidemic of Ebola.
The more things you juggle the greater the odds you drop one of them.
Who is juggling anything?
An american doctor got sick working in Africa, and came home for treatment.
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So why do ebola patient(s) need a special plane?
First there’s dealing with keeping things sterile with one patient.
Then 2.
Until roughly Thanksgiving for the all clear from those who will be dealing with the male patient for a very particular reason.
That’s a long time to juggle every single thing these 2 patients touch or come into contact with with no mistakes.
Hospitals aren’t known for preventing nosocomial infections. Even Emory. Even the CDC.
Legit question.
According to my daughter, Emory is only 1 of 4 facilities in the states equipped to deal with an infection of this magnitude. And they will not be treating his Ebola, they will be keeping him alive, and allowing his body to try to fight it off. Then of course, there will be the post-recovery period. This 3 bed facility was constructed in 2005/6 to handle any extreme cases that might come out of the CDC, with its own ventilation, security, and containment features. Many professionals consider Emory uniquely qualified to handle this
As far as the students in Ga and the exposure to infectious diseases, are you aware that if you were to pick up Emory and Grady and the surrounding areas about a mile out, the amount of infectious, active TB cases would rival any African country - and in fact exceed most of them. That's just the TB - I'm thinking we don't even want to know what else is being treated on a routine basis at Emory.
I have a daughter actually IN the Emory hospital and doing a rotation in the infectious disease unit, whose roommate works at the CDC in the virus research department and I have zero degree concern about her safety, I'm thinking the kids at Emory U, Georgia Tech, and the surrounding public schools are safe from Ebola.
I worry way more about the TB -
I’m not aware of any fine hospitals in Africa that are the go to place for Ebola treatment, are you?
Where would you want you daughter treated if she contracts it while serving with the military in Africa, or as a Christian missionary, would you prefer she be treated by Africans, or by the experts at Emory?
This article makes the African treatment conditions sound like the typical African nightmare that we would all normally expect, not the surprise, out of the blue claim in post 152.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/01/us-health-ebola-healthworkers-idUSKBN0G14FR20140801
Emory...hands down.
They know what they are doing.
Here is a revealing photo of the African capabilities.
I agree, this is a level 4 isolation unit. Ebola is not going to escape to the general population from it. I also agree that getting some "hands on" experience is an excellent idea. Ebola will make it to Europe, perhaps even the USA so the more we learn about Ebola the better prepared we will be to fight it should we have to deal with it here.
contact with infected animals (pigs, bats, monkeys)
contact with "droppings" of infected animals
eating any part of an infected animal
touching anything excreted (blood, sweat, urine, fetal matter) by an infected person.
any part of your skin touches any part of an infected persons skin
inhaling the droplets an infected person exhales via sneeze cough.
touching any item an infected person has recently touched.
touching a hard surface that has recently been in contact with anything wore, excreted or touched by an infected person who is dead or nearly dead from Ebola.
I am sure there are other means of Ebola spreading. It appears to me that Ebola is very contagious and could easily spread in a high density US city. I also think things are much worse then we are being told. Only 1500 infected? Only 800+ dead in West Africa? Really? I think way more.
Yes, even when a outbreak is contained in Africa, the virus is found to have moved into the animal population. Unfortunately they cannot control that aspect of it but it is known to have moved into monkeys and fruit bats, to my knowledge.
To control that, they would have to literally wipe out the entire populations of animals, which is potentially possible but in the African bush, the people are interdependent with the animals. So,,,they have not done that.
My point is that this would never happen in the US. We would not likely hesitate to attempt to destroy the animal population, or species of animal, once it was determined that it was harboring Ebola. Or we would find a way to immunize them, whichever works best...
But that's all theoretical stuff...I have no idea if we even have a species that the virus could find a home in.
No monkeys, fruit bats of the African variety, but rats could be a possibility, but I don't have a clue.
In any case, yes, the stuff is hard to eradicate. It does live on surfaces for a short time, measured in days, because it is encapsulated. It is this encapsulation that makes it difficult for the virus to mutate much, as we have noted in studies.
All that said, the virus, while very dangerous in the close personal contact societies of parts of Africa, in terms of rapid spread, it would not fair well in the US or the west in general, which is why it has never been a issue.
There is no telling how old this bug is. It did not just fall off a turnip truck. It has been studied carefully since the 70s, and we know how to control it, but we find that difficult in Africa for a number of reasons, most of which are not present in the US.
So to sum up, and I'll say it again..the virus is not a threat to the US, as it is in Africa. Sure, someone could get in untreated and cause a breakout, but it would be quickly controlled. I think it's notable that it has not yet happened in nearly 40 years, but I am not saying that it could not happen. Only that the damages would be minimal with this particular bug.
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