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To: DoughtyOne
You’re old enough to know better than that. You know what the cold war was like and how China counter-balanced the U.S.S.R. Why would you even say that?

That was the pitch all righty; I just don't think it was true (especially coming from Kissinger). China and the USSR were already on the outs, even without us.

He didn’t institute trade agreements to gift our complete patent database to China, and ship off tens of millions of job to it. He didn’t finance the rise of China to become our main adversary for decades to come?

If you think those goodies weren't discussed early on, then you are more callow than I think you are. We had finished rebuilding Japan and Korea into sinks for fiat money to the point that they were becoming competitors. We needed another "cheap labor pool" to which to export technology, cash in, keep said competitors lean, and go on to the next fiat money sink. Bush tried it in Iraq and failed (if you're wondering what I mean, do a little Googling on "George Herbert Walker"). Africa is next on the list.

Clinton, Bush II, and Obama did these things. Nixon wasn’t responsible for them.

I think he was. Once it had started there was no stopping it. Whether they were given the secrets or they were stolen is only a difference of timing considering how we handle foreign industrial espionage here.

26 posted on 08/10/2014 3:06:03 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Carry_Okie
You’re old enough to know better than that. You know what the cold war was like and how China counter-balanced the U.S.S.R. Why would you even say that?

That was the pitch all righty; I just don't think it was true (especially coming from Kissinger). China and the USSR were already on the outs, even without us.

Okay China was on the outs with Russia.  So you do agree that it was an oportune time to tap into the angst between the two.  Can you please explain to me how a Rockerfeller Republican "Kissinger" supposedly screwed that up?

No matter what you think of Kissinger, I don't see a downside to him helping to open up China.  I doubt seriously that you see anything tangible either.

He didn’t institute trade agreements to gift our complete patent database to China, and ship off tens of millions of job to it. He didn’t finance the rise of China to become our main adversary for decades to come?

If you think those goodies weren't discussed early on, then you are more callow than I think you are. We had finished rebuilding Japan and Korea into sinks for fiat money to the point that they were becoming competitors. We needed another "cheap labor pool" to which to export technology, cash in, keep said competitors lean, and go on to the next fiat money sink. Bush tried it in Iraq and failed (if you're wondering what I mean, do a little Googling on "George Herbert Walker"). Africa is next on the list.

So let me get this straight.  Kissinger the supposed evil bastard child of Rockerfeller opened up China and laid the groundwork for what followed, then it wasn't acted on for over twenty years?  What a great plot.  This wouldn't be fodder for a grade "E" movie.

Clinton, Bush II, and Obama did these things. Nixon wasn’t responsible for them.

I think he was. Once it had started there was no stopping it. Whether they were given the secrets or they were stolen is only a difference of timing considering how we handle foreign industrial espionage here.

Trade with China in earnest didn't take place until the 1990s.  I'm sorry but this is almost like blaming our Founding Fathers for Obama.  Well, they did set up the framework.

There was nothing wrong with opening up China.  Who in their right mind in 1972 could forsee Bill Clinton facilitating the handoff of our top secret military technology to China?  Look at what you're accusing Nixon of here.  There isn't a shred of evidence to prove he foresaw what was coming, due to him opening up China.  The idea he was a traitor to our nation on the order of Bill Clinton or Barack Obama, it's just preposterous.

I agree that Nixon did some things that were terrible.  This sure doesn't fit into that.  Say what you want about the man, he did seek any way possible to counter the U. S. S. R. threat at the height of the Cold War.  Those are not the actions of a traitor.

I sure can't say that about Clinton or Obama.  And quite frankly, I'm not a real big fan of Bush either for what he allowed to take place on his watch.


37 posted on 08/10/2014 8:16:38 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We'll know when he's really hit bottom. They'll start referring to him as White.)
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