Posted on 08/13/2014 6:56:34 AM PDT by Cheerio
Obama: Mission Accomplished
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- no pants on the ground… :
- But Beery Hussein Ebola Junior is getting in plenty of golf and fund raisers -
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Oh really! No kidding Sherlock Hagel! What was your first clue?
Notice what they are doing with ISIS and the social media in this country?
ISIS is keeping up with what’s going on in the US news on a minute by minute basis.
What a coincidence, we’ve got ourselves a version of the “spontaneous” lie in the works.
ISIS is so in tune with the news, they can pick up on a news story and “spontaneously” plan an attack around it.
BTW, that’s the same version of the spontaneous lie the ACLU tried to concoct back in January 2006 with the help of al Jazeera and Osama bin Laden putting out a tape.
And Obama’s the last one to know.
Seriously, has any one not seen this coming?
Actually we did, Justa. And it alarmed politicians and military advisors
Imagine the Marxist that would have succeeded him. Idiot or not, at least Hagel did serve in the military. Republicans who confirmed him really had no options in the Reid Senate.
Do you have a reputable source for that?
There are dozens of Syrian Opposition groups. Most are secularists. The Islamist groups are nearly all terrorist groups. I can see no logic funding Aq-in-Iraq (ISIS) or Al Qaeda. They are uncontrollable looters out only for themselves with no capability of maintaining a stable society.
The logic of the ‘we trained ISIS’ is absurd. That we would attack Syria due to its support of Hamas and Hezbollah and to ensure Syria’s chemical and biological weapons do not fall into the hands of terrorists. Yet to accomplish this we train and arm Al Qaaeda and its affiliates? It’s a ludicrous presumption and an insult to one’s intelligence.
And what about bombing ISIS? So we trained and armed them in some secret program and now we’re bombing them? Why? Even if someone believed they would be loyal somehow after toppling Assad what idiot would believe they’d leave Iraq alone or not use chemical weapons on civilians?
ISIS, nee Aq-In-Iraq, has been active in Iraq since 2003. That’s where they’re from. First they were fighting the Coalition until they were defeated and went underground and into Syrian refugee camps. After the US departed they returned in 2011 and began successive attacks against the Iraqi government. But they’re ‘our guys’ eh? Utter BS.
This is the same Leftist propaganda campaign used for nearly 100 years against Westerners by Communists and Fascists. Demoralize the public and insert propaganda until they no longer support their own government and side with their natural enemies. Want some examples?
-France 1940 trade unionists and socialists cheering the Nazis as they entered Paris. Result: France falls and nearly 1 million French killed by under a Nazi dictatorship.
-Cuba 1959 ‘Our man’ and mob buddy Batista was so corrupt Fidel Castro was the only way to fix the Cuban society, to make it fair. Result: Castro overthrows Batista and 1 million Cubans are killed under a communist dictatorship.
-South Vietnam: The ‘CIA assassination’ of Diem made South Vietnam a defacto US puppet state. Therefore there was no moral basis to oppose the VC and NVA who were simply nationalists representing the welfare of the Vietnamese people. Result: 6 million killed under a communist dictatorship (including Cambodia and Laos).
-EL Salvador and Nicaragua 1980s: Support of the Contras and El Salvador military dictatorship against communist insurgents thwarts the will of the people and the stability of the region. Result: Over half a million killed by communists who ‘somehow’ indigenously acquired 100s of thousands of AK-47s, thousands of machine guns and RPGs and 100s of tons of plastic explosives.
I could go on and on. Suffice it to say you are the victim of an influence operation. It’s time to cheer on Putin now, eh?
I like how the apologist works in you. However there are so many resources to validate the “claim” as even Hillary Clinton, whom you no doubt support for the nex president, just accused Obama of doing exactly this. So I’ll help you out. There is this search site called Google. Let’s see what CNN has to say about it: http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/15/world/meast/syria-civil-war/ http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/08/west-training-syrian-rebels-jordan
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Syrian-rebel-forces-trained-by-West-are-moving-towards-Damascus-324033
http://www.globalresearch.ca/cia-activities-in-syria-us-never-stops-to-step-on-same-rake/5353324
Once you have read through these you will see the names of the terrorist groups, all which have folded into ISIS now. So, yes, we provided training, funding and weapons that are now under the control of ISIS. And yes that’s what Hillary faulted Barack on in her little speech Monday night that has Barak in an uproar with her.
So, if you think I am pushing propaganda, you might want to call up Hillary and ask her not to push the same thing, or tell Hagel not to tell the troops that, or stop Obama from admitting it.
I see you in fact do not have a reputable source for your claim the US is supporting ISIS. You’ve posted bunch of articles about the well-known fact the US, France, Jordan, etc. have trained moderate Syrian rebels rather than Islamic forces as you claim.
A partial list of secular Syrian opposition sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_opposition#Syrian_National_Coalition
We have trained FSA, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Syrian_Army which in fact has been fighting ISIS for 2 years.
http://www.aawsat.net/2014/01/article55327081
“The Free Syrian Army is moderate, secular and backed by the United States with weapons and training.[41] In recent months these weapons have included advanced American made BGM-71 TOW anti-tank missiles.[42] The FSA is in stark contrast with groups such as Jabhat al-Nusra which have been designated as terrorist by several Western countries;[43] this has led to a rift between the secular forces fighting the Syrian government and al-Qaeda linked groups such as al-Nusra and ISIS, often resulting in deaths.[44][45] The FSA maintains good relations with moderate Islamist factions such as the Islamic Front.[42]”
Oh my gosh. I can actually cite sources which explicitly substantiate my argument. Imagine that. Do you think Wikipedia is in on the US-ISIS conspiracy?
You have posted no citation supporting your assertion that Western training was provided to ISIS or any Syrian Islamic opposition force.
I have provided citations, articles and excerpts that we have trained secular Syrian Opposition sources which are not aligned with ISIS and in fact fight against them. You provide links supporting my position then make an unsubstantiated assertion that this must also include ISIS or that the trainees defected to ISIS -without any explicit sources, citations or excerpts!
Don’t call me an apologist. You’re the one asserting a moral equivalence of US policy to ISIS activity for the manifest purpose of dismissing the justification of our opposition to ISIS and operations against them.
So who’s pushing the propaganda here Tovarish?
LOL, Sorry you can’t accept the facts. You can go around and around and around. The fact is, We supplied the manpower, weapons and training that ISIS is using now. Just accept the fact that Obama, the guy you voted for allowed this to happen. And all those forces now are part of ISIS that you are mentioning. Sorry to busrt your bubble. Look, if you want to promote the current administration policies, go to DC. But in the real world they have been a failure.
And have a nice day, knowing that Obama is setting the Middle East and North Africa on fire, all for peace
That’s racist!
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Thanks Cheerio.
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