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Police: Officer Who Shot Michael Brown Did Not Know He Was a Robbery Suspect (But Brown Did)
The Blaze ^ | Aug. 15, 2014 3:24pm | Madeleine Morgenstern

Posted on 08/15/2014 2:26:10 PM PDT by xzins

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To: Mariner
According to case law a cop can shoot a fleeing suspect if they believe they pose a serious threat to others.

Granted that is debatable. But on the cops side of it we have a huge six four 300 pound 18 year old who could probably kill someone with his hands who just attacked a cop (and quite possibly tried to take his weapon to shoot him with it)

21 posted on 08/15/2014 2:57:26 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (If you're on the same side of Ferguson as Al and Jesse, then you F-ed up somewhere. Rethink it dummy)
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To: xzins; All
Not only did the thug know he had just committed the robbery and behaved with the police accordingly - but the store video shows he was of a belligerent and assault mood at the very time the police stopped him!
22 posted on 08/15/2014 3:04:19 PM PDT by drpix
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To: xzins

Yep, Brown knew it and it’s an excellent point, I’d guess Brown felt he was big enough challenge the officer.

If in fact he tried to take the officers gun from him it was a fatal mistake and no ones fault but Browns.


23 posted on 08/15/2014 3:05:14 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: stlnative

That is the first plausible narrative given, although given a lack of source, means little. It is certainly more plausible than the idea that the officer tried to pull the 300 pound Gentle Giant into the car through his window, or that Gentle Giant was kneeling with his hands in the air, begging for mercy, or that the officer shot Mr. Giant in the back while he fled.

I strongly suspect that the autopsy confirmed this account (and it would, especially if Gentle had closed the distance on the officer). The autopsy would also completely eliminate the testimony of Gentle’s accomplice. And this would explain why Crump realizes he won’t get paid off until he can secure a more favorable autopsy report.

But, at the moment, we know about the same as what we knew at the beginning. Very little. Except that race hustlers have to hustle, looters have to loot, and useful idiots have to be idiotic. And that some people are very desperate for this to be everything that the Trayvon Martin case was thought to be, until it turned out that Martin was a 2-bit punk looking to attack, and potentially kill, someone who did nothing wrong, thus destroying the narrative.

In all likelihood, through his own behavior, Gentle Giant finally succeeded in turning his life around, it’s just that he turned his life from “living” to “deceased”.


24 posted on 08/15/2014 3:07:41 PM PDT by jjsheridan5 (Remember Mississippi -- leave the GOP plantation)
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To: xzins

That’s a bit of a change in Dorian’s story...


25 posted on 08/15/2014 3:13:39 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (Hoaxey Dopey Changey)
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To: xzins
I may have to dispute your thesis. A Commenter over at Ace of Spades said this:

445 I'm looking at the police report on a robbery of cigars and an assault in a store on W. Florissant Ave, Ferguson, last Sa.. The clerk id'd the suspect who also assaulted him as a black male wearing a white t-shirt, khaki longer shorts, yellow socks and a red cardinal's baseball cap. He also said a second suspect was with the first, but didn't give any particulars. He said they left the store and headed up W. Florissant north toward Quiktrip. The robbery took place between 11:52:58 and 11:54:00, per the video, and a description of the suspect was put out over the radio around 11:57.

This shows that when the patrol cop accosted Brown and Johnson on a street not too far from W. Ferguson a mere three minutes later, he wasn't harassing them for "walking while black" --- Brown fit the description of the aggressive thief, down to his socks. That still doesn't say anything about what happened after that, but at least initially, the cop was just doing his job.

Posted by: Trotsky w/an ice-pick in his head at August 15, 2014 03:27 PM (fPTO4)

Also, other reports said the officer was on a "sick" call, but broke off handling that call just prior to accosting Michael Brown. If he didn't hear the robbery call, why did he break off of the "sick" call?

26 posted on 08/15/2014 3:25:37 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Mariner

That’s pretty much how I read it. Guy could have been a serial killer, but if the cop is not in grave danger at the moment he pulls the trigger he is in the wrong.


27 posted on 08/15/2014 3:29:11 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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To: Qiviut

I haven’t noticed you on this forum before. I like your analysis. Keep writing!


28 posted on 08/15/2014 3:29:18 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: ArmstedFragg
"Dorian Johnson, said... the officer attempted to pull Brown into his car before Brown tried to flee and was shot."

A categorically lie. Cops don't pull perps into their cars it gives them no leverage against even an average sized person - and against a 292 pound thug it would be ridiculous.

I guess the store clerk was pulling that thug also!


29 posted on 08/15/2014 3:29:30 PM PDT by drpix
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To: xzins
Shoflift?

Try Strong-arm Robbery aka Robbery 2 degree - a class B felony.

30 posted on 08/15/2014 3:30:25 PM PDT by QT3.14 (USA born 7.4.1776 fathered by geniuses - died 11.4.2008 (Suicide) by idiots and traitors)
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To: xzins

What we saw on the video is a felony strong armed robbery. This punk was not headed off to college, he was headed off to prison.

I never saw a picture of the punk until today. I assumed from the reaction that we were talking about a 110 pound freckled faced nerd, but instead you have a 6’4” 300 pound gorilla dressed like the gangbanger that he was.

If I were a cop, I certainly wouldn’t have tried to wrestle him to the ground if I were in an altercation. I would have shot him too. He was a walking talking deadly weapon.


31 posted on 08/15/2014 3:31:15 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: xzins

I really seriously doubt any cop would try to put anybody, particularly an anybody weighing 300 pounds, into the cruiser without first cuffing him.


32 posted on 08/15/2014 3:38:39 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

“Proverbs 28:1 - The wicked flee when no one is pursuing, But the righteous are bold as a lion.

Proverbs 28:18 - He who walks blamelessly will be delivered,
But he who is crooked will fall all at once.”

posts of the day !


33 posted on 08/15/2014 3:39:07 PM PDT by Reverend Wright (liberal logic: Sarah Palin is not a real woman but "Chelsea" Manning is...)
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To: xzins

I wonder what the toxicology reports will how ? Cigars are not always smoked for tobacco.


34 posted on 08/15/2014 3:43:03 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: Mariner
My limited knowledge of case law, very limited, leads me to believe that if the cop cannot demonstrate Imminent Threat, he's a candidate for Murder II.

Correct. This talk of 'he robbed the store' and 'he didn't rob the store is meaningless. Cops can't execute people for that.

35 posted on 08/15/2014 3:44:45 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Trotsky w/an ice-pick in his head

As an ice climber, I cannot let this slide!

Leon Trotsky was murdered with an ICE AX! NOT AN ICE PICK.

36 posted on 08/15/2014 3:49:10 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: Straight Vermonter
Correct. This talk of 'he robbed the store' and 'he didn't rob the store is meaningless. Cops can't execute people for that.

Correct. Cops can't execute people for that. And given that this is almost certainly not an execution, your point is also meaningless.
37 posted on 08/15/2014 3:51:15 PM PDT by jjsheridan5 (Remember Mississippi -- leave the GOP plantation)
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To: Gen.Blather

“Assassinate” the narrative.

FLASHBACK:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/03/24/142983/martin-familys-lawyers-no-strangers.html

Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012

EXCERPTS

In Trayvon’s case, (Parks & Crump) alerted the news media more quickly. They phoned the Rev. Al Sharpton almost instantly, and organized marches with local civil rights activists. They also started pressing for federal involvement and alleging a cover-up from the get-go.

(snip)

“In court, you have the jury,” Crump says. “Our job is to get the case to a jury. We need to fight first in the court of public opinion. The jury is the American people.”


38 posted on 08/15/2014 3:51:59 PM PDT by maggief
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To: Straight Vermonter

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/15/michael-brown-when-can-officers-shoot-ferguson


39 posted on 08/15/2014 3:54:02 PM PDT by rolling_stone (1984)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Correct. This talk of 'he robbed the store' and 'he didn't rob the store is meaningless. Cops can't execute people for that.

No, it's not meaningless. It makes a great deal of difference to most people. There are pictures of this guy acting like a thug, bullying a shopkeeper. Who cares that he's now dead? Who cares why he's dead? This world is a better place without him.

40 posted on 08/15/2014 3:55:10 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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