Posted on 08/23/2014 8:04:40 AM PDT by null and void
87.2365% of statistics are made up on the spot.
What are your sources for yours?
Ummm....what statistics..?
Only stats I quoted were from WebMD..
http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/cold-guide/common_cold_causes
Thanks!
So colds are up to 70% viral by your own numbers?
All other thoughts or assumptions posted my me are my thinking and assumptions. I don’t belong to or share thinking with any other person or group on any subject.
The reason being that most of them are wrong.
Quite fair enough!
My assumption therefore is that a cold, separately from the Flu, has many fathers. And bacteria play a large role, just as originally assumed decades ago.
We are swimming, literally, in thousands of viruses and bacteria. It is not therefore ridiculous to make the connection that they often work in tandem.
But the incubation periods are different. Bacteria often take longer to get established.
The only reason I brought up the common cold was to illustrate the Ebola patient dies before a bacterial infection becomes a problem. Like in Pneumonia.
Because most patients believe antibiotics will cure a cold.
Most doctors want to keep and please their patients.
All doctors are aware of the placebo (literally "to please") effect.
Even if the antibiotic doesn't do anything for the virus, it does prevent the secondary infections you noted.
It doesn't harm the patient.
It gives everyone involved a sense that they are doing something.
To be clear “null”.
The reason...the only reason, I get drawn into these ebola threads, is to try to counter many misconceptions about ebola, how it spreads, and what it’s limitations are.
Most people seem to believe it can be spread like the cold or Flu. Thus they assume it could go pandemic.
If that were true, it would have jumped out of Africa decades ago.
While transportation like aircraft make it possible for someone to contract ebola and then travel to another country, possible infecting someone else, it’s rare that this happens, and there are reasons for it.
Secondly, depending on where they went, the shedding stage of ebloa makes them so ill that they would be in a hospital environment before they had a chance to shed which limits the exposure to other people.
This is not the case in Africa. There are several cultural and infrastructural reasons for it. But it’s not the case in the west and most other countries.
To believe otherwise, you would have to jump from the improbable to the likely, without a basis in fact to support the move.
Large dose of Vitamin D3 has reduced colds to near 0, prevented flu and resultant pneumonia.
If you don’t believe, go to walmart and buy a bottle ....... it is cheap.
Begin in late October and take 2000 to 4000 iu per day every day til april. There is no agreed dosage and it may be weight related. Large body mass, more units per day.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1929828/posts
Actually the anti-biotics are still given today as a way to control possible lung involvement.
It would not surprise me to find that they administer it to Ebola patients as well to prevent secondary infections..
But as I said, the Ebola kills before the infection can become pronounced so they never know. But I would think that for the survivors, it might help in recovery.
I was a vitamin C advocate decades ago.
I never found it to help with anything..
However, I do use a D-3 additive in a fish oil dose that I have taken for years now...
However, prior to using it, and now after using it, other than assuming I am helping to keep my immune system functional, I do not see any changes.
By the way, I have not had the common cold or a case of the Flu in over 30 years. With or without supplements..I also refuse to ever take a flu shot.
I don't agree that the risk is zero.
I don't agree with bringing critically ill patients here for treatment, when the illness has such potential for disaster.
Even a "small" "controlled" and "limited" outbreak on US soil could wipe out any number of kindergarten classes. (It's not like that demographic is very fastidious in the best of times!)
Absolutely provide the best treatment available, but don't break quarantine to do it!
There are four or five versions of Ebola. Restin is not found in humans.
Coughing up the lining of the lungs and esophagus were listed as “symptoms” in Preston’s book. That is what I am working from.
The cells of all tissues, except bone and connective tissue are attacked, at least according to that source.
But I don’t really need to get into the weeds on this as my sources are pretty much limited to that at the moment.
We can both agree that once infected, the discussion of what exactly sloughs off is moot. Ha ha.
If I were a doctor and I had a patient that sick, I’d throw everything at them!
Someone that sick could be pushed over the edge by even a minor bacterial infection.
Not quite true.
Many of the human workers in Reston tested positive for Ebola Reston antibodies.
They caught it, they fought it, they won. Ebola Reston does infect humans, but it's very mild, perhaps totally asymptomatic.
Thank God.
One single mutation could change that.
You are correct. I misspoke.
Not by much. Reston is no threat to us.
Actually I would never want to infer that and tried not to. Statistically, I don't think you can get to zero risk.
I am somewhat ambivalent over the movement of Ebola infected Americans to the US for treatment. While it has a built in risk, I am aware that the CDC and Emory have treated many viral pathogens in the past and we never know about these patients. And they have done it without the bug getting out. But I don't have a clue as to the successes of failures. Like you, I am aware that these two were successful.
For a US citizen to infect a kindergarten or grade school class with ebola, he/she would have to have gotten back to the US, asymptomatic, then when it went full blown and diagnosed, the immediate family and all those who have contact with the person would have had to escape quarantine.
The same is true for anyone..
Should a cluster form that was deemed to be dangerously out of control, much stricter methods would be used, to include a much larger quarantined area protected by lethal methods.
That last was almost fiction, because I don't think it could get that bad. But in any case, we would handle it in ways that the currently infected areas of Africa have been either remiss or simply have not done it because they don't have the means.
In the case of Sierra Leone, It was all the above..plus resistance and cultural ignorance.
Not this silliness again, really?
I only commented on the cold viruses, and no doctor in these parts will prescribe antibiotics for a common cold.
So where do you get off with ad hominem attacks? Especially about a topic unrelated to the Common Cold? It doesn't make you any more "right", and in fact is generally an indicator you don't know what you are talking about.
But don't take my word for it: From the Mayo Clinic (Maybe they are "conspiracy nutcases", too?)
Although more than 100 viruses can cause a common cold, the rhinovirus is the most common culprit, and it's highly contagious.
Note, there is no mention of Bacteria as a cause of the Common Cold.
If your other unlinked, unsubstantiated assertions are as off base as these two, perhaps you should listen more and bray less.
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