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Posted on 08/23/2014 8:04:40 AM PDT by null and void
Yes, the two Christian missionaries were treated at our top Ebola unit and they are alive and well and cured.
Now we learn that not only did some not want them to receive that top notch American treatment, but that they were to be kept in Africa even if they somehow survived what little help is available in Africa.
That can’t be encouraging to the hundreds of GIs, and missionaries and CDC personnel fighting Ebola on the front lines in Africa, trying to limit its spread and cost in human life.
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A link to this thread has been posted on the Ebola Surveillance Thread
The evidence that Ebola Reston was respiratory was that monkeys in another room at the holding facility where the original infected monkeys were held also got sick. However, the facility was quite dirty, and there are other possibilities for the spread of disease--for example, through fomites carried between rooms.
As far as I recall, the only bodily secretions where virus has been found for prolonged periods after illness are breast milk and seminal fluid, the latter being tested infectious 82 days after initial symptoms in one patient. I've been reading a ton of papers on this, so if references are requested, it will take me a few days to provide this specific one.
I would expect any President to do this.
It makes sense.
Ebola is absolutely a respiratory disease.
It attacks ALL internal organs. It is not “airborne” in the sense that you have to be in close contact. However, droplets from a sneeze can carry the virus in an aerosol form right down into the lungs.
Do some quick reading on how this virus works.
It attacks all organs. The lungs literally disintegrate.
Well.....lol...I am not going to get into a link posting situation here..
I will say that the confusion over ebola and how it spreads is largely due to the medical establishments comparisons of symptoms to that of the Flu, but they then fail to explain Flu symptoms.
Ebola is a blood born pathogen. Once it is in great enough numbers in the blood and has overwhelmed the immune system it breaks out of small capillaries. in the intestines, eyes, skin, and spreads it’s self through bleeding. But it does not do that in the lungs....Period....
Flu is also a blood born pathogen. But it does not cause bleeding. However the initial syptoms of the Flu and ebola are the same with fever, chills, general sick feeling.
Upper respiratory and respiratory diseases are generally bacterial....IE: the common cold, and sometimes it can accompany the Flu because the immune system is busy, and it spreads the Flu then through coughs, sneezes, etc.
In a ebola patient, the accompanying bacterial diseases do not have enough time to incubate because the ebola virus will kill the patient before that can happen.
Ebola does not affect the upper respiratory, (trachea and sinuses) and is not spread the way flu is spread. It stays in the blood until the final stages of the disease where the capillary walls break down and bleeding occurs. Initially this may show up as a rash or skin blood blister.
Vey Soon after this time the patient is flat on their back, unable to move.
We are very lucky in a way, that Ebola acts this way. It makes the disease easier to control, in a good medical environment.
The disease has another aspect to it, very technical so I am not going to get into the reasons why, but the disease is very stable and it is difficult for it to mutate or combine RNA/DNA with other viruses.
I know exactly where you hope to go with your argument, where you want to claim that Ebola is transmitted like the Flu is...
But it does not do that. It never has..
As I said, there is only the one known strain that affects animals only (Reston) that is spread through the respiratory system, and it, try as it might, does not infect humans.
That is the situation with Ebola. It just is what it is.
So to sum up...Ebola is only transmittable in it’s last stages where bleeding begins to occur, and not through respiratory bleeding.
Very shortly after the bleeding starts, the patient is no longer able to travel and this aspect has helped to keep it from becoming a pandemic.
There has never been a Ebola strain in humans that transmits like the Flu through the respiratory system. And there is not likely to be one, but the chances like anything else are not zero.
It spreads, as they have said, by direct contact with fluids that shed live virus in the last stages of the disease.
Please, if you can, summarize the findings to show how long after recovery each bodily fluid can remain infectious.
I know this is a major exercise, and I don't have the bandwidth or resources to do it, but it would be a very valuable, nay, crucial, addition to the debate.
Maybe even lifesaving.
I would expect THIS president to abuse it.
It makes sense, he's abused everything else.
I always thought Alex Jones was a nut but he is looking less crazy by the day. Imagine an Ebola infected illegal African immigrant hiding out in a majority black city. The disease spreads. Who do you think gets the blame? What would the Obama administration do?
Remember those FEMA camps?
That’s crazy talk.
Absolutely not...
Lungs are a different type of tissue. It is susceptible to bacterial infection, because of the warm moist environment, but not to Ebola, a virus.
In Ebola reston, autopsy’s did show lung involvement in monkeys. But they are not entirely sure why...In pigs, it does not seem to attack the lungs, and just is carried in the blood, so there is a lot of debate over it.
It’s possible I suppose that it was not involvement at all and just some inhaled blood from the mouth or throat. But in any case, reston is harmless to us.
Ebola does not dissolve the lungs..patients die from blood and fluid loss, mostly as a result of heavy bleeding from the GI tract combined with high fevers.. standard medical intervention can help some of them survive. And now we anti virals that show promise.
For this reason and many others, I contend that Ebola could never become a pandemic and will remain confined to the African region until such time as we find a way to eliminate it or control it there.
The common cold is bacterial. Got it.
What was it Reagan said? "Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.”
The only problem I have with AJ is the 9/11 troofer stuff.
Just about everything else seems plausible to me.
Take what you need and leave the rest.
The common cold is caused by a Rhinovirus. Influenza is also a virus. THanks for playing, try again some day.
odds of every freeper and TEA party member being a “well person” is pretty high.
especially around the beginning of November
Yeah. Try running the Nut-Job Conspiracy Theory Ping List...
BORAT EBOLA
They rarely go to the extent of identifying the specific markers..so they treat the symptoms with antibiotics which are effective only in some half of the cases, not all.
But they do distinguish it from the FLU which is systematic and not effectively treatable yet.
If you took a swab of your nose, you will find rino-virus (meaning viruses of the nose) and a probably a dozen other interesting little bugs..viral and bacterial.
You can find that virus on any day of the week, in your own nose.
Whether or not what we call a “cold” is a direct result of it, can be a interesting subject to discuss. But today's estimates show that it's not the only actor in the nose..
Rhinoviruses — causing 10% to 40% of colds
•Coronaviruses — causing 20% of colds
•Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) — responsible for 10% of colds
Every one of these is assisted by a bacterial infection as a result of the damages done and that is what often gets into the upper respiratory system.
Which is why anti-bacterials have some effect on most colds, but not the Flu.
Frankly, we don't really know.....yet..
But what we do know is that Ebola is not spread through the respiratory system in humans.
I believe that comment is what gets your goat, but I would expect that from a conspiracy nutcase who is in great fear of a pandemic and then tries to justify that fear to everyone else..
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