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Let's be clear about this: Russia is invading Ukraine right now
Vox ^ | 8/27/14 | Max Fisher

Posted on 08/27/2014 12:06:17 PM PDT by TangledUpInBlue

There are two things happening between Ukraine and Russia right now. First, Russian and Ukrainian leaders are meeting in Belarus to negotiate a peace deal in the Ukrainian conflict that Russia insists it has nothing to do with. Second, Russian military forces are crossing the border into Ukraine in what is clearly a hostile invasion and act of war. That includes Russian artillery, Russian tanks, Russian-trained irregular forces, and even uniformed Russian soldiers who have admitted on camera that they are Russian military ordered to invade by their commanders.

But the first piece of that is obfuscating the second. Getting Russia to agree to a peace deal on Ukraine requires lots of careful diplomacy, and that means that no one wants to formally acknowledge Russia's invasion of Ukraine, even though Russia is definitely invading Ukraine right now. That's how you have even the more hawkish figures in the Obama administration making statements like this:

The new columns of Russian tanks and armor crossing into Ukraine indicates a Russian-directed counteroffensive may be underway. #escalation — Geoffrey Pyatt (@GeoffPyatt) August 26, 2014

Russia’s military incursions into Ukraine- artillery, air def systems, dozens of tanks & military personnel–represent significant escalation — Susan Rice (@AmbassadorRice) August 26, 2014

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhorussia; putin; ukraine
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To: GeronL

I thought Belarus was opposed to Russia on this. Lukashenko is afraid he might be next, or has Putin made him an offer he couldn’t refuse?


21 posted on 08/27/2014 12:50:25 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: GeronL
Ukraine Crisis Map.... Reports: Novoazovsk under Russian control

This with the reports of tanks in Telamnove it appears Ivan is securing the crossroads of what appears to be the main road from Donetsk towards the Black Sea closest to the Russian border. The next major crossroad in the coastal highway through Novoazovsk is Maripul. Ivan can take the roads from these town north into Donetsk.

22 posted on 08/27/2014 12:51:01 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: dfwgator

Belarus is in full accordance with the new Soviet order, they are attached at the hip to Moscow. They can pretend to play nice but in reality they answer the call to Putin.


23 posted on 08/27/2014 12:51:42 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: C19fan

Mariupol is being reinforced by Ukraine. Hopefully this does not leave Donetsk unchallenged. Reports of attacks along the road to Mariupol are also on that map.

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1 hour ago
Shooting in Sahanka (15 km from Mariupol). Fights. Jets passing-by


24 posted on 08/27/2014 12:53:42 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: C19fan

As a follow up if Ivan wants to go to Donetsk this route is faster in terms of miles needed to go than crossing the border directly east of Donetsk.


25 posted on 08/27/2014 12:53:58 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: GeronL

Of course at one time Lukashenko dreamed of leading the new Soviet Union, but Putin beat him to the punch.


26 posted on 08/27/2014 12:54:26 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

lol.

I can’t imagine that guy trying for the top job... heh


27 posted on 08/27/2014 12:57:59 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: C19fan
Large Ukraine convoy with heavy equipment arrives at Mariupol. Hopefully they will be able to keep the city from falling.


28 posted on 08/27/2014 1:01:58 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

I’d love to see the Uki’s kick their ass. I doubt there’s any chance of that. 100 tanks. Pupin is a real prince of a fellow.

E.U.?
U.S.?

Crickets!


29 posted on 08/27/2014 1:24:36 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We'll know when he's really hit bottom. They'll start referring to him as White.)
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To: GeronL

Belarus is just cutting a better deal with Putin, maybe this is all part of the new Peace Plan. Bow to Rusian Demands and there will be peace. Maybe Ukraine can get some cheap gas out of Russia for a Deal—Land for Peace. It worked well for Israel after all?


30 posted on 08/27/2014 1:35:29 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Crimea wants to vote in Ukraine elections.... hhhhmmmm


31 posted on 08/27/2014 1:36:09 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

I just a report that Neo-Nazi groups from France, Serbia and other countries are fighting with the Russians in Ukraine.


32 posted on 08/27/2014 1:38:26 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

Let’s be plain, immigrants are invading US right now and no one gives a damn.


33 posted on 08/27/2014 1:49:49 PM PDT by Cowgirl
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To: Cowgirl

Hopefully someone would raise eyebrows if they started bringing tanks and anti-aircraft missiles with them.


34 posted on 08/27/2014 1:55:46 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

When is war not war? When the world is to afraid to use the word “war” while Russia marches west.


35 posted on 08/27/2014 2:38:44 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

But let’s not forget that Sarah Palin predicted this back in 2008, and of course *SHE* is the stupid one.


36 posted on 08/27/2014 3:01:00 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: MeganC
August 1914 all over again. Quick, send HIllary to Serbia.
37 posted on 08/27/2014 4:00:41 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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