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Army quits tests after competing rifle outperforms M4A1 carbine
The Washington Times ^ | August 19, 2014 | Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 08/29/2014 3:08:23 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

A competing rifle outperformed the Army’s favored M4A1 carbine in key firings during a competition last year before the service abruptly called off the tests and stuck with its gun, according to a new confidential report.

The report also says the Army changed the ammunition midstream to a round “tailored” for the M4A1 rifle. It quoted competing companies as saying the switch was unfair because they did not have enough time to fire the new ammo and redesign their rifles before the tests began.

Exactly how the eight challengers — and the M4 — performed in a shootout to replace the M4, a soldier’s most important personal defense, has been shrouded in secrecy.

But an “official use only report” by the Center for Naval Analyses shows that one of the eight unidentified weapons outperformed the M4 on reliability and on the number of rounds fired before the most common type of failures, or stoppages, occurred, according to data obtained by The Washington Times.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: army; carbine; usarmy; weapon
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To: 556x45

Ha! I told him he was welcome to it. I knew I wasn’t coming back.


41 posted on 08/29/2014 7:14:19 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

You handle that by keeping the same ammo and gradually phase in the new rifle!!!


42 posted on 08/29/2014 7:15:38 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Really? You try peeing on cartridges in the middle of a firefight!

Good luck.


43 posted on 08/29/2014 7:15:52 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Arlis

Agreed. One helluva statement to stop a 50 cal at 20 feet. Should be massive internal injuries.


44 posted on 08/29/2014 7:24:20 AM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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To: Timber Rattler

What General has a consulting job locked up in the future? Follow the money.


45 posted on 08/29/2014 7:29:04 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: SgtHooper

The videos indicate the armor is made with Al so is light, but has some real possibilities. The armor itself spalls on impact, which while stopping the round, disfigures the back of the armor plate—the body contact part. But still is cool stuff.


46 posted on 08/29/2014 7:41:34 AM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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To: Chainmail

***Good luck.***

That’s what I thought! I bet even your spit dries up.


47 posted on 08/29/2014 7:43:19 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (SOUL BROTHER! This house is not armed! (Signs people thought would protect them in the 1960s))
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To: ontap; Chainmail
Our young combatants’ lives depend on it. I don’t give a damn what they cost, the weapons we give our troops have got to be the best on earth.

With the terrorists actually outnumbering the enemies we faced in WWII, I must agree. (1.5 Billion Muslims X 15% ready to rumble on world-wide jihad). The "Moderate Muslim" argument makes about as much sense as the "Good Germans" argument in WWII! The "Moderate Muslim" supports the jihad just as much as a "Good German" working in the Krupp Works, or buying German War Bonds.

But when it comes to weapons, our procurement people seem just as hide-bound as the stodgiest Civil War thinkers, who stuck with muzzle-loaders when the 7-shot Spencer Rifle was readily available. Our Pentagoners are stuck on 5.56.

48 posted on 08/29/2014 8:14:51 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Only a specific GOP Program, Plan, and Leadership will end the chaos of dysfunctional government.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Our Pentagoners are stuck on 5.56.

Our Pentagoners are stuck on back room payoffs!!!

49 posted on 08/29/2014 8:17:29 AM PDT by ontap
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To: SgtHooper

I would think the concussion alone would kill you!!!


50 posted on 08/29/2014 8:18:40 AM PDT by ontap
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To: W.
Ja - didn't think of that.
If you have a rate of fire going that's going to heat the weapon enough to trigger the closed bolt/open bolt change, you probably (hopefully!) aren't shooting at a range where a POI shift will matter (knife fight).
51 posted on 08/29/2014 8:18:49 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: RC one; Travis McGee

3,000 against 500 is not a significant improvement?


54 posted on 08/29/2014 8:38:52 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Timber Rattler

“Still, the competition results “suggest that changing the weapon itself may not produce the effects the Army was looking for,” the CNA report said.”

“Last summer, after over two years of evaluation, the Army called off its competition”

Haters gonna hate. I think the above statement says it best. The M-4 carbine more than held its own among 8 newly designed weapons. One as in 1 of the weapons actually may have done better in One (1) of the tests. OMG! The sky is falling.

Oh, and they “called off the test!!!!” after 2 dang years. I think that’s long enough.


55 posted on 08/29/2014 8:50:31 AM PDT by saleman (?)
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To: F15Eagle
Actually, I thought it was funny at the time - my lieutenant was a good young guy and I thought the world of him. Hope he actually got to carry the thing.

I was issued a BAR during part of our infantry training and I have to agree with your Dad; fantastic weapon. Accurate, steady, superbly controllable, powerful, reliable. If I coulda carried one of those in Vietnam, I would have..

56 posted on 08/29/2014 9:09:15 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: GeronL

Vested interests will be served. The “winner” is almost always predetermined. The USA wound up with the Beretta 9mm for a generation as part of a deal with Italy over air bases etc. The SIG blew away the field but the Beretta “won.” That’s how it works. Vested interests will be served.


57 posted on 08/29/2014 9:10:04 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

and this is what they want to do with the economy, rig it


58 posted on 08/29/2014 9:10:51 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Travis McGee

Like with anything else involving government- follow the money and influence being peddled.


59 posted on 08/29/2014 9:12:02 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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