I agree. Any political party that would hold me up as an iconic figure and a credible "conservative" isn't worth a pile of horse sh!t.
Posted on 09/01/2014 6:20:28 AM PDT by rktman
True be dat. The GOP-e runs away from it--- Reagan would not be proud at all of this current crop of old RINO's.
Someone would have to teach the GOP how to be conservative before the GOP could extend a conservative hand to black people.
As people, yes. But the very essence of conservatism is a belief in the individual, and group identity is simply ... what ... irrelevant to the basic foundation of conservatism (at least, as I see it.)
Never. Gonna. Happen. Don’t care what GOP does. Black America is 98% in pocket of Dims. Write off that demographic forever.
I know several well educated black folks, and do you know what got them excited a few weeks ago?
The swisher cigar video.
Know why?
To them, it blew up in the faces of the bigoted Ferguson police force. See, it clearly showed Brown purchasing the cigars, NOT stealing them.
How this is consistent with Brown roughing up the protesting proprietor remains a mystery.
Outreach to blacks has huge obstacles. They won’t be overcome anytime soon.
Yup. Victimized yet again, just proving all the garbage he had been reading was correct. It was a crappy situation but I don’t think he ever realized it was him. At least on the surface.
If reaching out means caving in to victimization and poor mouthing, then the RINO GOP can do it all they wish. What ever happened to people standing on their own two feet and getting what is deserved because of effort and incentive instead of race?
Believe me, if he ever had even one minor screw up as a surgeon, it’ll be broadcast far and wide. Heck even if he didn’t, they’ll make something up. Was it Mark Twain that said “A lie will be half way around the world before the truth can even get it’s pants on.”? The libs/progs/commies/dimokkkrats have no conscience when it comes to smearing and ruining folks.
I have wondered the same thing that Lloyd mentions, and I think that I know how it happened that the Republicans have been neglecting Blacks.
It has been going on for many, many years. First, we should recall that before the Depression, most Blacks were Republican. They were largely blocked from voting in the South, and in the North (believe it or not) most of the big states were rather solidly Republican, so the GOP had not much need to reach out to the minorities.
The Democrats, on the other hand, worked like beavers in the North to get new constituents. The best yields they got were among the hordes of Irish immigrants, whom they corralled under the wings of big-city machines.
The Depression changed everything. FDR, unable to really do anything about the economic situation, and being a person of weak principles anyway, allowed himself to be turned by a coterie of left-wing advisors into a defender of the “little guy.” In other works, this pampered scion of a family rich through the opium trade, managed to pull this off (and parallel trickery has been pulled off since).
Blacks saw themselves not just as an ethnic group, but as poor. Forgetting by this time the primacy of freedom, they turned through the class appeal. Well, why not? Most of the intelligentsia of the day favored statist solutions for all problems: the Progressives (both Republican and Democrat), socialists, most European intellectuals, &c. A good proportion of whites fell also for the New Deal line. The Blacks have been cultivated and “played” ever since by the left.
I recall a Republican campaign rally of around 1960, at which I found myself talking to a Black couple. They complained to me that the Republican leaders never bothered to come to their neighborhood, but they knew why: the GOP did not expect to find much support there, and they felt that as a matter of short-term strategy, it was better to leave those neighborhoods alone, and hope for a low turnout there.
Well, there is one big thing which has changed now, and that is that the Black turnout in elections is high, often higher proportionately than any other group. There is no use hoping that they forget to vote. Paradoxically, this may eventually lead to a change in Black voting patterns, at least marginally. Also, TV ads reach everyone, so there is much less validity to the old GOP strategy.
How patient should the GOP be in waiting for some signs of alertness in the Black electorate? Well, I think forever would be justifiable. After all, it is a sad fact that most people do not vote their intellect: they are more influenced by group identity, by family traditions, and by propaganda. That is true of just about everyone. The second most solid voting block in the country is probably the Jewish vote, which rather consistently votes against its own interests. We are still waiting! Some very important Jewish intellectuals have become conservatives, and even leaders in the conservative intellectual movement. There are few better; and yet some 80% will continue to vote liberal-democrat, like zombies.
The ethnic identity factor is difficult to change, and often it is very irrational. Why should so many Irish vote for liberals? Why do more Italians vote Republican than do the Irish? Why do Asian-Americans support the Democrats overwhelmingly, when all their interests, and even their cultural predispositions, would seem to be conservative? Why should Poles and Slovaks vote Democratic: not all of them, but why any?
Politics is a difficult business, but we must continue the effort, or die off as a nation.
True.
Here's one:
Now that America is burning in the flames of racial tension and polarization, it is crucial that Republicans/conservatives finally reach out to black America.
This is a non-sequitur if I've ever seen one. What the hell does one have to do with another?
Secondly, I would question any political agenda that includes "reaching out" to a minority group that is fading into obscurity on the national scene (which is an ironic statement to make, in this second term of America's first "black" president). Someone on this thread mentioned Bill Cosby, and I'll offer some insight here about the roots of his legendary public comments some years ago that were very critical of the black community.
Those comments were made at the 2004 NAACP convention that was organized largely as a celebration of the 50th anniversary of the U.S. Supreme Court's Brown v. Topeka Board of Education court decision. The specific context of his rant was that he was outraged at how little progress blacks had made in the U.S. since that decision, and he made particular reference to the pointlessness of desegregated schools for a race/culture in the U.S. that is openly hostile to the whole notion of education and self-improvement.
An underlying context of his rant, though, was that this 2004 NAACP convention was held right around the time that media reports were beginning to appear noting that, for the first time on record, Hispanics had officially supplanted blacks as the largest minority group in the United States. Cosby knew damn well that the age of perpetual victimhood for blacks was over, because now the nation had another larger, more politically powerful minority to serve as the beneficiary of all the pandering. The evidence for this that we've seen in recent years couldn't be more obvious. On the one hand you had Democrats like Senator Harry Reid and then-Senator Joe Biden commending Barack Obama for how "white" he looked and sounded, while at the same time you've got presidential contenders like George W. Bush -- and yes, Barack Obama himself -- speaking Spanish at campaign appearances.
My advice to conservatives is to focus your efforts on the message, and forget about who you're reaching. There is far more to be gained by promoting a principled conservative message to immigrant groups from Latin America, China, India, etc. Focusing your message on the people who we saw on television in Ferguson, Missouri is like looking for political support on Indian reservations.
Are blacks ready to accept no welfare and work for themselves, stay in school, stop fathering illegitimate children, stop being criminals, and lead a good life?
I agree. Any political party that would hold me up as an iconic figure and a credible "conservative" isn't worth a pile of horse sh!t.
Sorry Lloyd, I’m starting to think that you can only reach out to a majority of blacks if you have something of physical value in your hands. Food, money, housing and other free stuff. They are not interested in bettering themselves or their children.
West isn’t in office at the moment but that doesn’t mean he’s off the job...
Was San Diego illegal alien beach storming a prelude to something bigger?
http://allenbwest.com/2014/08/san-diego-illegal-alien-beach-storming-prelude-something-bigger/
Reading his comments was a comfort— at least somebody is on duty and paying attention. Cruz is who I’ve been hoping for but I could certainly be happy with West.
We need West.
Thanks for the FDR & opium trade factoid - sent me off to a search engine to get more info. I don’t know how I’d never looked into FDR’s source of wealth previously.
GOP better reach out to the base!!!
How do you reach out to a culture that is acting out the script for their own self destruction? If anyone could write a better script for self-extinction, what is going on in the black culture would be it.
Part of the equation for self-inflicted genocide is the rejection of those who want to help them change their course. The Race Card is used to deflect corrective criticism. Much of that thinking can be blamed on the Democrats who have indoctrinated the black culture to reject any other influences outside of the plantation. And that plantation teaches dependency so that the Democrats can maintain power.
Dependency on the government does not teach the next generation those skills for independence and survival in a technological age. That is a huge cultural failure and is a pathway towards self-inflicted extinction.
Parents that influence their children into lawlessness and participation into the illegal drug industry, are creating a culture of death. It is a culture that puts them on a pathway towards extinction. I credit the Democrats for the corruption in government they are involved in and the influence it creates. It is teaching those in the black culture exactly the wrong message. It is a message that teaches the next generation that the way to success is by breaking laws. It is a message that is evil and puts those it influences on a pathway towards destruction. When the wages of sin is death, a culture that embraces evil, is on a pathway towards death. When a culture rejects those who try to reach them so they can correct their course, that is a formula for extinction.
The Democrats, in an effort to stay in power, have written a script that is poisonous to the black culture. It is a prescription for the self-genocide of a race. People talk about drinking the Kool Aid. The ingredients reflective in the black culture is a prescription for self-genocide.
The GOP has some work to do going back to Conservative ideals before they can reach anyone.
An “ok” article I guess, but to me it still misses. It’s a heart issue and that’s the part that needs to be addressed.
Already posted this morning is a far better approach IMHO for all of us:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3199223/posts
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