Posted on 09/01/2014 12:57:58 PM PDT by babylon_times
Well, you seem to have faded out.
You obviously do not know much about the western world’s military capability...
All I was trying to say is that the present administration has insufficient courage to be willing to stand toe-to-toe with Putin, any more than it has been willing to do whatever it took to get rid of the Islamist enemy. Bullies arise when there is no force to stop them, and America is the laughingstock of the world. Putin can threaten whatever he wishes, and ISIS can threaten whatever it wishes, and both of them know that Obama will play golf and send all his important people to Ferguson, and let Putin and ISIS both get away with whatever they say or do.
You evaded my question. Do you believe that America is prepared to suffer the loss of one or two (or more) of our major cities and the ensuing millions of civilian casualties to a Russian nuclear strike? Over East Ukraine?
The Bundeswehr burned all their maps showing the roads to Kiev.
Breslau? Maybe. Kiev? Not in a million years.
You are. You said we shouldn’t let him get away with invading countries at will (irony switch off) and that he’s no match for the NATO forces.
Sounded like war talk to me.
Or did you mean we should scowl and say harsh things and never actually fight. Because we are so scary that the threats will do the trick?
If Poland plays their cards right, they're getting a lot of real estate in the upcoming deal.
If they back the wrong horse? Breslau, Stettin, Danzig, Allenstein, Elbing, Tilsit, even Memel - all up for grabs.
“What I’ve gathered over the past few weeks is, since some of us here believe that Ukraine “belongs” to Russia (or that it is Russia’s “backyard”), any move to support or defend Ukraine is an attack on the Russians.”
You’ve got it about right. No different than the Cold War. When the Russians needed to bring Hungary back into the fold in 1956, we let them (rather than start WW3). When the Russians needed to bring Czechoslovakia back into the fold in 1968, we let them (rather than start WW3).
So, yes, considering the hardware they have, and the alternatives, I think we responded correctly then...which is why my family didn’t get vaporized. I guess this time we’re supposed to to the other way?
During the Clinton Administration the United States executed defense treaty with the Ukraine would surrender it's nuclear weapons arsenal to the US and in return would guarantee to defend the Ukraine from Russian aggression.
In the event Russia escalates it's invasion of of the Ukraine the United States will be forced to intervene directly.
This is the price we will pay for Obama’s feckless foreign policy and it could lead to WWIII
By the way, The turkish veto on any Nato action would come fast, they are heavily pro-russian and anti EU these days under Erdogan who is moving further and further towards Russia.
So this NATO.....They dont exactly have each others backs like some here seem to think or have they forgot 2003 when 3 of them refused to protect Turkey......
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/feb/11/iraq.nato1
“You obviously do not know much about the western world’s military capability...”
...I think most people with ANY military background understand two things:
1) We WILL NOT win a land war in Eastern Europe against the now-modernized Russian army.
2) Airdropping a bunch of obsolete Western weapons will not enable Ukraine to anything more than maybe delay their defeat at Russian hands by a few weeks.
...and like most people on this site, I feel sorry for people that don’t seem to understand that a country cannot spend 20 years GUTTING ITS MILITARY and not pay a price for that.
Mmm... launch an invasion of Moscow in October... No, that could never go wrong...
Exactly! Solid idea. Only a Putin lover could disagree.
Wow, if you see things in such simple ways, no wonder it is either submission or WWIII to you, I thought you were just being silly, I didn’t know that you really think that way.
That isn’t what is going on, and it isn’t real life. We don’t either let Russia invade everything, or attack Russia today.
Are you suggesting that Eisenhower didn't try to make things difficult for the Soviets? Versus the surrender-monkeys we have here now?
Personally I think Obama should lead the charge to Moscow atop his golf cart, sure the course might be a bit frozen and cold but he could tee off for a while before running inside for some arugula.
Here’s a little logic lesson for ya.
Putin: IF I want (p), I will take Kiev in two weeks (q).
If p -> q
~q (I’m not taking Kiev)
therefore, ~p (I don’t have any interest in taking Kiev)
Putin was saying he has no intention of taking Kiev.
So you are in the huff and puff but do nothing camp? Putin fan.
We could at least wait until the Spring, or hurry up and do it now. Just don’t do it two months.
Lol. ..perfectamundo. That is exactly what the statement said. And the ninnies start running around saying its a two week invasion threat.
I don’t know if they laugh at us, or shake their heads in amazement.
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