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Bureaucrats Have Revived End-of-Life Counseling
American Spectator ^ | David Catron

Posted on 09/02/2014 4:33:24 AM PDT by rootin tootin

Remember the controversial provision of Obamacare that would have paid physicians extra money to provide “end-of-life counseling” to seniors whose conditions required expensive medical care? That feature of “reform” caused such a public outcry that the Democrats had to drop it from the final legislation. But the government apparatchiks didn’t give up. On Christmas Day, 2010, it came to light that the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) planned to implement the program anyway. Within a week, however, vehement objections by clinicians and citizens alike forced the CMS bureaucrats to back off once more. Well, they’re at it again.

The New York Times reports, “Medicare may begin covering end-of-life discussions next year if it approves a recent request from the American Medical Association.” If CMS accedes to this “request,” many doctors will find it difficult to resist the resultant financial pressure to counsel gravely ill seniors concerning their “options.” Why? At present, Medicare doesn’t pay enough to cover the cost of an office visit to a family physician. But an additional payment for end-of-life counseling will render such visits marginally profitable, which will encourage doctors to inform Granny about the “pros and cons” of some treatment plan that might land her in Forest Lawn.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deathpanels; ocamacare; palinwasright; rationing
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1 posted on 09/02/2014 4:33:24 AM PDT by rootin tootin
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To: rootin tootin

[Single Payer] == [No Escape]


2 posted on 09/02/2014 4:38:59 AM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: rootin tootin

and once again; Palin was correct, about “Bathhouse” 0’Mullah’s Death Squads/DeathCARE.


3 posted on 09/02/2014 4:47:56 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics in always to pick up a weapon...eh? "Bathhouse" 0'Mullah? d8^)
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To: rootin tootin

Peath Danels.


4 posted on 09/02/2014 4:54:58 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("World History is not full of good governments, or of good voters either "--P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: rootin tootin

Another truth the left & the media ridiculed Palin about turns out to be true after all! I’m sure Tina Fey’s next SNL skit will mock them as being liars with Sarah pointing out their lies with the facts.


5 posted on 09/02/2014 5:01:24 AM PDT by bonehead4freedom
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To: rootin tootin


6 posted on 09/02/2014 5:44:13 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Why democrat voters are like sperm: Only 1 in a million work.)
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To: bonehead4freedom; skinkinthegrass
Advanced Directives have been around for decades. My father had one drawn up in the 70s.

When Palin was governor, Alaska had advanced directives.

Alaska Living Will

You should study these things. You can put whatever you want in your living will/directive. If you want to be vegetable hooked up to a machine, you can put that in your living will.

7 posted on 09/02/2014 5:51:25 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

There is a big difference between someone signing a Do Not Resuscitate form and a Death Panel deciding how long you will be allowed to live.


8 posted on 09/02/2014 5:56:35 AM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: Slyfox

Talk to a lawyer. Most of them do living wills cheap because they want your will/trust business.


9 posted on 09/02/2014 6:00:09 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
There is a big difference between someone signing a Do Not Resuscitate form and a Death Panel deciding how long you will be allowed to live.
10 posted on 09/02/2014 6:14:01 AM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: rootin tootin

According to what I read about Obamacare, the next step will be to start denying services to the elderly, the amount depending upon their age. Let’s keep watching.


11 posted on 09/02/2014 6:15:14 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

Death Panels are actually the economic solution for SocSec and Medicare. Each year sliced off the lifespan is HUGE for the financials.

When the millennials get snarky about granny’s early demise, the regime will offer some Groupons for student loan remission.


12 posted on 09/02/2014 6:18:07 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Slyfox
Let me tell you something Mr Notso Slyfox.

I've covered this subject with a lawyer, twice, and you are full of crap.

But I'm sure that there are a lot of ignorant tool-jobs and seniles that will believe you.

13 posted on 09/02/2014 6:35:47 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
Can you explain to me the difference between you going into a lawyers office and requesting what you want with you laying in a bed in a hospital and you have no one to stand up to the hospital board that will decide your fate for you?

You obviously are more informed, please tell us - what is the difference between the two?

Right now in Great Britain that is the norm.

14 posted on 09/02/2014 6:46:44 AM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: Slyfox
If you want to, or any one else wants to, we can follow that link above and go thru it step by step.

As for standing up to the hospital board, that is a legal document and if they don't follow it, they can be sued. If the third shift floor nurse doesn't follow it, the hospital can be sued.

That is the Alaska document. Most states are the same and if you notice, it can be customized. For example: if you are an elderly man with a chronic bladder infection problem that is well advanced, you might want to address being infused if you are unconscious.

Its as a starting point from which to talk to your doctor, family, designated power of attorney, clergyman, lawyer, and whoever else you chose.

15 posted on 09/02/2014 7:08:10 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: rootin tootin

They just can’t let it die — unlike the millions of seniors and infirm that they would consign to the death panels.


16 posted on 09/02/2014 7:09:32 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Ben Ficklin
Most of them do living wills cheap because they want your will/trust business.

Yeah, they're just dying to do business with you -- or vice versa.

17 posted on 09/02/2014 7:10:40 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Ben Ficklin

Thanks for a voice of reason. End of life care does need to be discussed, as from my vantage point, working in this field for almost 20 years, there are a lot of patients who are given very expensive inappropriate care late in life so some specialist can make more money. The sad truth is that many of those patients would live longer without these treatments! I’m against single payer as well, but let’s not just blindly jump on the “death panel” bandwagon without stopping to really study the fact surrounding this controversy.


18 posted on 09/02/2014 7:18:20 AM PDT by binreadin
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To: Ben Ficklin
My father-in-law just died at the age of 97. He had requested to not be resuscitated which we followed.

In England right now it is standard knowledge that if you do not have someone speak up for you, DNR or not, you are shuttered in a back room and not given any food or water or pain medication.

This is now the standard practice in a first world country. This is what the Obama Administration really wants to have our hospitals do.

The only thing that hampers this practice in England are family members and/or friends who will loudly interfere when correct care is not done.

Hospitals don't like to deal with people who announce that someone is being ill-treated.

If you are by yourself and you can not communicate what you want - you are in no position to sue.

So, Sarah Palin was right. The Obama Administration wants to be able to deny care when it suits them.

19 posted on 09/02/2014 7:31:32 AM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: Ben Ficklin; All

a ‘Living Will” has legal loopholes that can still allow hospitals/doctors to make ‘final’ decisions, like withholding food and water, for one example.

In many states, like TX, the patient and family will b e overruled...indeed, the family may not even be able to remove the patient to another facility where they may be allowed to live...or treated.

a “WILL TO LIVE” will give you legal protection that a Living Will does not.

http://www.nrlc.org/medethics/willtolive/whyneedwtl/


20 posted on 09/02/2014 7:34:13 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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