Posted on 09/03/2014 3:52:11 AM PDT by markomalley
Running beyond its' mandate to do what? The convention has no power to change the Constitution, only to propose amendments.
"I think history is on my side with this."
No, history is on the other side. There is an extensive record of colonial-era conventions and none of them did any of the things you fear.
If you trust no one, the only option is the status-quo.
"There is no constitutional limit on the time for an additional 16 states to ratify."
Not quite right. Most modern amendment proposals have had time limits built into the text of the amendment itself.
Just add an amendment that sez: “Congress Shall Make No Law.” and make it retroactively effective to 1800.
P.S.
Don't be taken in by this propaganda from the progressive left. The delegates all either had permission in advance or requested and received permission from their state legislatures to produce a new constitution. Mark Levin documents this in his book.
So you think we have statesmen of the quality of Adams, Franklin, Mason and the rest? Who are they?
If you trust no one, the only option is the status-quo.
Actually not. I'm waiting for the zombie apocalypse. Frankly, at my age, I'm looking forward to it.
An Article V Convention is not a Constitutional Convention. It is a convention with the purpose of proposing amendments to the states for ratification. And that is it. Period. To suggest otherwise is to misrepresent the facts.
Well you are correct about one thing, the flaw is not in our Constitution. The flaw is in the corruption of our people. That corruption is reflected in our elected officials. Our present Constitution cannot deal with the situation precisely because it was not written to deal with an immoral and unjust people. Consequently it must be strengthened to do so. There are three paths available as I see it. A convention of states (CoS) reduces the power of the federal government while increasing the power of the states thereby restoring freedom and balance to the country. Or we can continue to let what are essentially criminals lead us down the path to slavery. Or we will resolve the situation through armed conflict with each other. I choose the convention of states as the best present path. One that poses no risk as all the CoS can do is propose amendments which the states must ratify. Just like an amendment proposed by congress. Thus I believe there is little risk of a run away convention. And arguments that so state are simply incorrect. With due respect.
It is too bad that the people are the problem. They elect the corrupt criminal class that put us in this mess. And they will continue to elect people just like that. Where are all those people of character of you speak of? Voted down, betrayed, or cheated out of office for the most part. We will send pretty much the same cast of characters to D.C. this cycle as last cycle. The CoS is our next to last chance to protect ourselves from our illegitimate government. And we do that by reducing federal power and increasing state power.
Well said FReeper! Well Said.
Regardless of what you call it, very little good will come out of such a confab in todays society. You people's faith in 'our' system is touching.
If we were dealing with decent people, I would agree with you. Unfortunately, we are facing Communists, Socialists, and liberals. They will not put a deadline on the ratification process. They will choose weasel words and ambiguous phrases that normal people will misread at first glance but that can be read differently at their convenience, once ratified. I don't believe a CoS will solve the problem. It's down to two options that I can see, and I am hoping we will discover an acceptable option that limits the power of government over us but avoids a second civil war.
Well it is not faith it is math. Too many states are required to ratify a proposed amendment for any serious ill to come of a CoS. The real problem is that no amendment would likely be ratified. However I really do understand your concern. Have a good day.
I don’t believe we have any other recourse. And I believe a CoS is a long shot. But it is the best peaceful shot we have. Have a good day FReeper.
We'll have to disagree on this. I just really do not believe any good can come of such a thing. I think the Constitution as written would work just fine if it were followed. Have a great one
The “people of character” I referenced are among the 100,000,000 Americans who could have voted in 2012 and did not vote.
They voluntarily deserted the field of battle because “their” candidate did not win the primary. By doing so, they ensured the LIEberal win.
If the same number of people who voted for John and Sarah had voted for Mitt and Paul, Mitt would be President, and we would all be having a much different conversation.
With ya on that. Our passionate kids (regardless of age), need to internalize that something is better than nothing. Turning this country over to Dims is not an option.
It is time for us to just say “NO!” to the LIEberals!
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