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How municipalities in St. Louis County, Mo., profit from poverty
Washington Post ^ | September 3, 2014 | Radley Balko

Posted on 09/04/2014 9:54:56 AM PDT by Second Amendment First

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To: DoodleDawg

I lived in St Louis from 88 to 92.

I road a commuter bus partly because of this.

There are so many townships, half the time you don’t know what town you’re in.

And if you get stopped, the cop writes you a ticket, the confiscates your license to ensure you pay your fine. You drive around without a license until your court date, or until you go to that town and pay the fine.

This happened to a few friends I worked with.

Our offices were located out near the airport, most everybody took the long way around via the inter-state to avoid all the locals.


21 posted on 09/04/2014 10:39:42 AM PDT by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: Second Amendment First

I agree that the system is not right and needs to be fixed.


22 posted on 09/04/2014 10:43:36 AM PDT by Rocky (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. George Orwel)
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To: pierrem15
I'm not sure about that. It seems one white person actually had the appropriate response to the constant harassment:

Appropriate? I hardly think killing 5 people is appropriate.

23 posted on 09/04/2014 10:53:36 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Theoria

Did you like the part where the cop could turn a yellow light into a red light with the switch of a button....and then issue tickets for running a red light?

Such an abuse of power, and then cops wonder why the public doesn’t trust them.


24 posted on 09/04/2014 10:56:22 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: pierrem15
Kirkwood's city goobermint is firmly in the hands of the Yuppie party, most of whom are non-native-Kirkwoodians, but rather refugees from other suburbs who have brought their utterly self-centered and narcissistic ways with them.

I knew Thornton, was a classmate of his brother. Good guy, a little goofy, but he simply would not come to terms with the powers that were at the time. Too bad he picked up that gun...it really is: the yuppies on the city council are, unfortunately, almost infinitely replaceable, as events subsequently have proven yet again.

25 posted on 09/04/2014 10:58:17 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: Responsibility2nd

Cookie Thornton, FWIW, was a black man.


26 posted on 09/04/2014 10:59:47 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: Second Amendment First

I’m white. If I don’t pay my traffic tickets or appear in court to contest them, no judge is going to buy my “I’m po” defense.

Does Shandalier think it should be different for her?

Black privilege!


27 posted on 09/04/2014 11:00:11 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Responsibility2nd
Sorry, when an organized gang is using armed force under color of law to rob you blind, I think killing 5 people is a quite appropriate response.

It obviously didn't prevent the gang from resuming its activities, so I assume killing 5 was insufficient.

But maybe I'm just old fashioned.

28 posted on 09/04/2014 11:01:36 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: SAJ

The article mentioned the business was started when the twon was majority white. My mistake, although it doesn’t make any difference.


29 posted on 09/04/2014 11:12:05 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: Second Amendment First
The Florissant officer first took Bolden to the jail in that town, where Bolden posted a couple hundred dollars bond and was released at around midnight. She was next taken to Hazelwood and held at the jail there until she could post a second bond. That was another couple hundred dollars.

So she did have the money.

30 posted on 09/04/2014 11:14:55 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: IronJack
If you can't pay the fine and think you will be jailed, what would you do?

The simple fact of the matter is that the administration of the "law" in these areas is not only unjust but illegal, not only because of the denial of due process and equality under law, but the fact (which seems clear from the horrendous citation rates) that many (and possibly most) of the citations are fraudulent.

These municipalities essentially function as armed gangs extorting money from the populace.

And race has little do do with it-- I've seen exactly the same BS in poor, rural communities that are 99% white.

31 posted on 09/04/2014 11:17:20 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
If you read further:

While in jail, she missed a job interview. She fell behind in her paralegal studies. When she finally got her day in court, she was told to change out of her jail jumpsuit into the same clothes she had worn for three days straight, and that had been sitting in a bag for the previous two weeks. She was brought into the courtroom to face the judge, handcuffed, in dirty clothes that had been marinated in her own filth. “I was funky, I was sad, and I was mad,” she says. “I smelled bad. I was handcuffed. I missed my kids. I didn’t feel like a person anymore.”

Voss was able to get Bolden’s bond reduced to $700, but that was still too much for Bolden or her family to pay. The judge also told Voss that he wouldn’t consider an indigency motion until the next session, which meant another two weeks in jail. Bolden was taken back to her cell. The next day, her mother borrowed against a life insurance policy to post her daughter’s bond. “It doesn’t just affect you,” Bolden says. “It affects your family. Your kids. Your friends. My mother is disabled. And she had to help me out. My sister had to put her life on hold to watch my kids.”

32 posted on 09/04/2014 11:21:57 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: SAJ
Cookie reminds me of the Chicken Man.

 

 

Sometimes when little Hitlers push too hard - little people push back.

33 posted on 09/04/2014 11:31:11 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Rocky

“But the woman used as an example in this article is another one of these people who makes a whole bunch of bad choices and then wants society to bail her out. It isn’t just poverty, it’s bad choices. Like getting tattoos instead of paying traffic fines. I’m sure if you went to her house you’d find more evidence of money spent on luxuries instead of necessities.”

And don’t they ALWAYS have a passel of children as well! That alone is probably the reason for their “poverty.” There is little question in my mind as to the corruption that exists in traffic law enforcement everywhere today, but as you point out, this isn’t a real example of the problem.


34 posted on 09/04/2014 12:00:52 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: pierrem15

Then fight the ticket. If it’s for speeding, what proof does the cop have? The same for no seat belt. For driving without a license, that’s hard to beat if you’re guilty. And if you’re guilty of the others, then maybe you should be obeying the law instead of worrying about how you’re going to dodge it if you get caught.

I have no doubt there are money traps around the country that rob innocent citizens. And if that can be proven, those responsible deserve the harshest punishment.

I’m doubting Shaneekqua here is a poor victim of anything but her own choices.


35 posted on 09/04/2014 12:05:43 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Second Amendment First

Driving is a big responsibility, and the person in this article broke numerous driving laws. Also, having four babies out of wedlock is just plain stupid.


36 posted on 09/04/2014 1:27:39 PM PDT by grundle
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To: Second Amendment First

Hmmm. Glad the police showed up and called ahead for you. In your case, yes, stuff happens.

Frankly, I was thinking of the habit of a whole set of people who seem to think that deadlines and times to show up are malleable.


37 posted on 09/04/2014 3:28:27 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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