Posted on 09/07/2014 12:54:35 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
I’ve read two different explanations.
One said she was having a routine procedure to LOOK at her vocal chords. This particular procedure is typically very well tolerated.
The other explanation was that she was having an actual surgical procedure...obviously more complicated than a routine “observation procedure”.
The clinic, where she had this procedure, stated on it’s website that it’s facilities were comparable to the level of hospital facilities.....
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...Our facility offers features comparable to those available in any hospital....
...At our state of the art medical offices, we are dedicated to providing each patient with superior medical treatment in a comfortable, safe atmosphere. Each patient’s care is managed by our impressive team of internationally recognized physicians who are all leaders in the field of gastroenterology.
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Would the outcome have been different if she were undergoing this procedure in a hospital? Who knows?
Exactly, who knows?
http://www.yorkville-endoscopy.com/staff.html
There isn’t one listed on their site. Whether that is important or necessary or it is a procedure an RN could legally do I have no idea. The clinic is being trashed on all sites from Yelp reviews to death threats of staff members. They need to clear an investigation or most likely go out of business.
Under ideal conditions, like in a hospital surrounded by doctors.
It's even lower 'in the wild'.
Poor odds, but I was able to bring my dad back for several more years of happy life.
Anyone with access to his medical records could have arranged an exposure to the allergen.
Good thing medical records are private...
I can’t help but think if this were about a guy named Smith we would never hear anything about it. It’s all about the investigating agencies getting some noteriety.
You can mix and match a few keywords to find out more: vagus nerve, bradycardia, cardiac, carotid sinus reflex, endoscopy, endoscope, laryngeal, etc.
Another possibility: Cardiac arrest due to PURPOSEFUL stimulation of the vagus nerve. In Joan's case, it would be considered murder. In other cases, it's done on purpose during complex heart procedures/surgery to slow down or temporarily stop the heart.
One of the first things I would find out about that clinic is if they had a crash cart, and if so, why wasn't it used? If I'm remembering correctly, a dose of atropine is what's used to restart the heart in a case of an induced vagal response. Then again, i haven't thought about this in a long time so i could be way off base on the atropine piece. :-)
That’s great about your Dad. It’s good that you were there and knew what to do. I survived mine, but only because I was in a hospital hooked up to a heart monitor. Most victims are nowhere near help.
In some cultures the loss of a loved one is commemorated by looting free stuff and great gatherings.
For others it is a time to call the attorneys and friends in high places; to see if they can provide you with free stuff.
The fact that the clinic had to call 911 shows just how risky these places are. Joan would have been without oxygen for several minutes. By the time the paramedics got there she was surely brain dead.
If anyone is ever considering having a “routine” procedure done at a walk-in clinic, the short answer is DON’T.
My husband had a routine endoscopic procedure done, but his doctor did it in a HOSPITAL. That way, if anything bad happened, there are emergency staff available immediately.
Interesting thought!
Instead, we waste our time looking for conspiracies under every rock when most likely, at best the Rivers case is nothing more than medical malpractice. Maybe there was negligence here, but I doubt it would rise to the level of the criminality of the F&F and Benghazi matters. Then again, there may be no negligence or malpractice at all.
A real investigation might bring some level of peace to the loved ones of the Benghazi and F&F victims. Spreading rumors, tall tales and conspiracy theories will bring no comfort to Melissa Rivers and the rest of the family.
Well, she was at a clinic, things took a turn, they called an ambulance, she was taken to a hospital.
How could they "not know" when she became deprived of oxygen?? She was (apparently) under medical supervision from start to finish! Well, the only conclusion I can reach is that the clinic was not really on top of things. Sad. I know that things can always go wrong -- and 81 is not young -- but to lose control of the situation and "not know" when control was lost? Not good.
epinephrine/adrenaline, IIRC
You, of all people, should realize that there are a whole lot of 'mostly' posting here at FR.
Good for you! May I suggest you avoid having another one?
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Yeah. And sometimes I’m even part of the ‘mostly’!
It does appear to be part of the Human Condition...
LOL! I’ll do my best to follow your advice. :)
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