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Obama Outperforms Reagan on Jobs, Growth and Investing
Forbes ^ | 9/5/2014 | Adam Hartung, Bob Deitrick

Posted on 09/07/2014 9:17:08 PM PDT by Is2C

Back in May 2013 the Dow was out of its recession doldrums and hitting new highs. I asked readers if Obama could, economically, be the best modern President? The #1 issue raised by readers was whether the stock market was a good economic barometer for judging “best.” Many complained that the measure they were watching was jobs – and that too many people were still looking for work.

To put this week’s jobs report in economic perspective I reached out to Bob Deitrick, CEO of Polaris Financial Partners and author of “Bulls, Bears and the Ballot Box” for some explanation. Since then Polaris’ investor newsletters have consistently been the best predictor of economic performance. Better than all the major investment houses.

This is the best private sector jobs creation performance in American history

Deitrick – “President Reagan has long been considered the best modern economic President. So we compared his performance dealing with the oil-induced recession of the 1980s with that of President Obama and his performance during this ‘Great Recession.’

As this unemployment chart shows, President Obama’s job creation kept unemployment from peaking at as high a level as President Reagan, and promoted people into the workforce faster than President Reagan.

President Obama has achieved a 6.1% unemployment rate in his 6th year, fully one year faster than President Reagan did. At this point in his presidency, President Reagan was still struggling with 7.1% unemployment, and he did not reach into the mid-low 6% range for another full year. The Obama administration has still done considerably better at job creating and reducing unemployment than did the Reagan administration.

We forecast unemployment will fall to around 5.4% by summer, 2015. A rate President Reagan was unable to achieve during his two terms.”

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: economy; obama; reagan
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Any econonmists out there care to rip this apart? Or is this guy somehow correct and the economy is booming and consumers (i.e. jobless) are just not intelligent enough to see it?
1 posted on 09/07/2014 9:17:08 PM PDT by Is2C
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To: Is2C

Man, I need some of whatever they’re smoking.


2 posted on 09/07/2014 9:17:58 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Is2C

The numbers are all baloney.


3 posted on 09/07/2014 9:19:14 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Is2C
I would like to see a valid comparison with the same formulas used in the 80’s versus the formulas that have been changed over the last few years, along with the definitions involved in the given barometers.

Only a fool would believe the outright fabrications put forth in this “article”, but then again, it was crafted for the extremely ignorant in the first place.

4 posted on 09/07/2014 9:22:19 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Is2C

DEEEEEE_LUSIONAL! Let’s see. Unemployment? Based on the folks filing? How many have exhausted their 875 weeks or whatever it is now and quit filing? 90 million? 20 million? 10 million? We all know this is a red herring and the numbers are total BS. But, the lyin’ king did say on labor day “I don’t think you can name a segment of the economy that isn’t doing better today than the day I took office.” WHAT!!! OMG! He didn’t even wince when he said it either.


5 posted on 09/07/2014 9:23:39 PM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: Is2C

This is hilharryass! I was working back during the Reagan administration and now during the greatly trumpeted mulatos administration I’m not. Baby that’s all I need to know about the veracity of this fiction right there.


6 posted on 09/07/2014 9:23:44 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Is2C
the majority of all these so called jobs are part time, low wage types...plus the govt jobs...

we are poorer now then 6 yrs ago..

about 50% or families are poorer thatn just 6 yrs ago..

..prices for everything are higher....we have less security....we couldn't even do well in the Olympics...

the number of people NOT working in America is at an all time high...

7 posted on 09/07/2014 9:28:27 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Mastador1; Is2C

During Reagan/Bush I had two jobs: A secure civil service gig and a mid-six-figures sales job. Now, I’m on a sad little V.A. pension.


8 posted on 09/07/2014 9:29:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Is2C


9 posted on 09/07/2014 9:31:06 PM PDT by kabar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wondered what happened to that hash pipe I lost all those years ago.


10 posted on 09/07/2014 9:31:34 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Is2C

What bullshit.


11 posted on 09/07/2014 9:32:25 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Is2C

“Any econonmists out there care to rip this apart? Or is this guy somehow correct and the economy is booming and consumers (i.e. jobless) are just not intelligent enough to see it?”

I did a little search on one of the authors - Deitrick and I found a reviewer’s take on a book written by him, essentially advancing the same bogus idea. Here’s her take on his book (and she’s a staunch democrat, but evidently one of those rare one that is also honest). Source: http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/464639239

“After reading this Forbes article, I picked up this book as a possible Christmas gift for some of my relatives. My expectations were too high from the start; I hoped to find a book that would make one person stop moaning about the economy’s “inevitable collapse” due to Obama’s reelection and make another stop compulsively gardening to stave off the coming “food shortages.” In other words, I hoped it would present a convincing enough argument to turn crazy radicals sane. In retrospect, I realize that’s too much to ask of any book.

The main flaw in this one is apparent right from the start — opinions are often presented as facts. In the first pages, for example, it is stated that one of the criteria for determining the economic success of a president was how much he equitably distributed the country’s wealth among its people; my radical relatives would immediately disagree with that standard and probably wouldn’t read any further. It then goes on to state that civil rights issues are mere “distractions” and that you should only vote based on “what’s important — your pocketbook.” This is the point where it turned me off, although I decided to stick with it.

The book goes on to analyze several presidencies based on what the authors call their PRES Rankings (Presidential Rankings of Economic Stewardship.) The book reads like a lower-level college essay, and the whole thing is too heavily footnoted (most footnotes seem to lead to PDFs of university courses) and overly simplified; I’m not sure if the authors felt like they had to dumb it down to reach their intended audience or even who their intended audience was.

Another thing that detail-oriented readers are going to get stuck on is the number of typos and editing errors in the text; while not the worst I’ve seen, it is certainly significant. In my mind, the validity of your argument, no matter how well-researched, looks diminished when you haven’t even bothered to copyread it properly. The authors also use the same quote from Marriner Eccles (to whom this book seems like some kind of stalkery love note) about a poker game four separate times, which by the fourth time is just sloppy writing.

The chapters themselves are also heavily skewed toward the Democrats. Republican presidents are vilified in the text for everything from their upbringing and education to their campaign tactics, whereas Democrats are only lauded for their economic successes. I (full disclosure) am a staunch Democrat, and even I noticed the disparity; it is not subtle, and right-wing-leaning readers are going to pick it up and run with it. It has the effect of making the book seem like subjective propaganda. The authors would have served themselves better to just let their impressive economic facts speak for themselves.”


12 posted on 09/07/2014 9:33:48 PM PDT by aquila48
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These guys are out of their minds. 1984 I graduated from electronics school. Tech firms were hiring at an unbelievable rate. Motorola in Huntsville hired 25 out of my class. Texas Instruments came in and hired nearly everyone else.

1984, 1985 and 1986 were UNBELIEVABLE in job growth. Obama has not even sniffed a fraction of that.


13 posted on 09/07/2014 9:35:07 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Is2C

Are they smoking crack at Forbes? This has to be satire. Obungler has DESTROYED the American economy. The numbers dont lie, econotards!


14 posted on 09/07/2014 9:36:36 PM PDT by Viennacon (ILLEGALS ARE VIRAL WEAPONS!!)
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To: Is2C

Democratic propaganda from a left leaning financial magazine read primarily by financial wizards living in their mommy’s basement.


15 posted on 09/07/2014 9:37:19 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Pox
They haven't skewed Labor Force participation yet. It puts the lie to the spin.

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey

Series Id: LNS11300000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Labor Force Participation Rate
Labor force status: Civilian labor force participation rate
Type of data: Percent or rate
Age: 16 years and over

Obama:

Reagan:

Many of Reagan's jobs were solid, middle-class jobs representative of a true economic expansion. Most of O's jobs are low paying, under full time jobs for the working poor -a servitude class. The jobs indicate economic repression and decline.

16 posted on 09/07/2014 9:39:46 PM PDT by Justa
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To: expat_panama; Wyatt's Torch
Ping-a-Ling!

You will enjoy this article.

17 posted on 09/07/2014 9:42:30 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Is2C

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/090514-716332-american-jobs-recovery-is-stumbling.htm


18 posted on 09/07/2014 9:42:57 PM PDT by Jayster
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To: Is2C

MSM Presstitute Bukake video — somebody wake me up, oooooh Goooooood, noooooo...!

Make it stop, make it go away......


19 posted on 09/07/2014 9:43:30 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Is2C
In an America long ago and far, far away from today, my dad told me to read Forbes, that there was a lot of good value in each issue.

Lol. My, my, how things have changed. He didn't even recognize the world at the end of his days. It had left him, though his common sense and sense of humor never did.

One by one, symbols and truths big and small, have been transformed into satire or condemned and torn down to make way for new planned development.

20 posted on 09/07/2014 9:43:48 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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