Posted on 09/10/2014 5:30:11 AM PDT by TurboZamboni
St. Paul police plan to release skyway surveillance videos Wednesday related to the controversial arrest of 28-year-old Chris Lollie earlier this year.
Lollie, of St. Paul, recorded his interaction with police officers on Jan. 31 and posted the cellphone video to YouTube on Aug. 26. The video, which Lollie titled "Black man taken to jail for sitting in public area," has been viewed more than 1.2 million times. The video goes dark after about 2 minutes, when Lollie said an officer put his cellphone on a ledge, but the audio continued.
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I don’t know what the law is there regarding loitering but the guy is talking to the officer in a calm voice saying he knows his rights and then the cop from the Simpsons shows up and arrests him in front of his sister and kids.
I’d like to see the cops video although from what I saw, I’m sure they’ll come up with some reason for rousting this guy in order to justify what they did to him.
I don’t blame the guy at all. The police have morphed into the Gestapo.
Hopefully it shows some of what the police claim - that Lollie was resisting, shoving, etc... That’s what police claim he was tased for.
Of course the outrage has been ginned up by a one sided story and the police are late to yet another game, so it won’t matter to all the perpetually aggrieved out there.
“The police have morphed into the Gestapo.”
No longer peace officers, they are law enFORCEment.
http://www.policestateusa.com/
Too many instances of abuse going on lately, dogs getting shot ect. This will end badly.
The guy was trespassing on private property.
My wife works in that building and goes through the area every day. There is a strong effort by tenants to keep people from loitering and dong whatever.
The basic fact of the matter is that the cops were called by the owners representative, a security guard, to ask this guy about trespassing. whether or not it is a crime is debatable. But the cops were there to investigate it. They did not go wandering around the skyway asking for the id’s of just anyone. So they were doing their job which was to investigate a situation as they were asked to do. This guy could have showed them his id and gone about his day. He chose another option and it did not turn out well for him so he used the racist thing.
He also claims he was waiting for his kids at the daycare there. My wife says there is no daycare in that area that she has s
een.
You should know by now, it’s a tradition here not to want facts - only emotional opinions based on inaccurate news reports. Facts reported by people who work in the building only interfere with what people want to believe.
Back in the olden days vagancy laws kept the rif-raf off the streets.
Often a bum would be arrested for vagrancy who was found to actually be rich.
When the vagrancy laws were done away with the public places like libraries and parks filled up with the winos and “homeless” loitering, sleeping, stinking.
Public Museums used to be free till the vagrants took over. Admission was then charged to keep them out.
Ok, forget what happened or why the guy was there. What I want to know from those who defend whatever police do is this: since when, other than under very well defined circumstances, did “showing your papers” become required?
Since when did you folks forget about “quiet enjoyment”?
We need the police but they are getting WAY out of hand.
That’s a big issue in a lot of these situations. The cops are usually not allowed to release much information early on because of “active investigation” issues. Anyone, however, truthful or not, can tell whatever story they want and post a few seconds of their own video that seems to support their own point of view. Then everyone picks a side and the case is tried in YouTube district court, truth be damned. It’s why some cops get so upset at getting filmed, not because they are in the wrong, but they know they will not have a fair hearing with the general public.
To (mis)quote someone whose name I don’t remember, “A lie can travel half way around the world before the truth gets it’s pants on.”
Freepers should know better, but sometimes you get someone with an axe to grind who just can’t help stirrin’ that puddin’.
The police didn’t just show up and ask to “ see his papers” They were called and ASKED to check the guy out by a representative of the business. Huge difference.
If he is indeed trespassing, then he should have respected the officer who told him to leave. But, the other officer went straight to dick mode showing how much authority he perceives he has and went to town. I listened to it more than once and once the second cops arrives, he’s already of a mindset of giving a beat down; just listen to him.
As for trespassing, he was sitting on a bench. The presence of a bench implies a place to sit; was there a time limit telling the people who site there how long they’re allowed to sit until the police arrive?
I do have a major problem with him complaining that he was being hassled because he was black. He could have been standing over a dead body, covered in blood with a knife in his hand and he would say he’s being hassled because he was black.
The second cop is the one that gives the other .01% of cops a bad name.
A lot of stupidity went down that should have been avoided on both sides.
The city attorney has already said it’s a public place.
Unless there’s a sign with a time limit, I don’t know what law he’s violated. The skyway locks down in most places at 1am.
He wasn’t there at 1am.
The security guard did a sort of accidental ‘swatting’. (call the police about a non-existant crime and the cops come kick in your door with SWAT)-The cops are not held accountable because they were acting in good faith based on an alleged crime being committed.
If anything, Lolle’s lawyer will sue the property managment and/or security company.(AND the city because they have deep pockets and the police likely could have ended it before tasing happened)
Winston Churchill.
Not so — at least from the data that we have. If the police had arrived and asked the individual involved to leave and he left then the matter should be closed.
Resistance might mean arrest but, under no circumstance is ID required to be presented other than in licensed situations (e.g. driving infractions and the like) and even then if you do not present such ID the only option the police have is arrest. This nonsense of non-arrest “detention” which has creeped up over the years needs to be slapped down hard. Police are not centurions and should have very limited action scopes.
You might not like the way things work but letting the armed state have any additional power is frightening and not a good thing for a free society.
If you want to change it then ask the citizens for permission via a vote. You won’t get it, I suspect. Better, support gun carry laws. An armed population is a polite and orderly population — after a brief period of, well, sanguinary adjustment, of course.
That sounds exactly like my local library. A lot of older, smelly people who conduct loud conversations or sleep on the sofas which ruins it for the average library-goer. Maybe why I haven't visited the place for many years. Of course, with the internet I can all the info I need. Before the internet I had to go through many papers and magazines to get pertinent info.
When must you show ID to police?
http://www.kare11.com/story/news/local/2014/08/29/when-must-you-show-id-to-police/14825985/
MN has no “stop and identify” specific law. I have a feeling we will soon.
“was there a time limit telling the people who site there how long they’re allowed to sit until the police arrive?”
The time limit on a private property is what the owner says it is. This fellow sitting on this bench is no different than if he had been sitting on a bench in your front yard, refused to leave when you asked him, and then you called the cops to file a trespass complaint.
Exactly. We are in a bind. All of us want miscreants off the streets but if that requires us to endorse the sort of police state tactics that the all too often steroid bulked boys in blue want then we are might as well wear chains.
I don’t trust government institutions generally (just look at the mess they have created) and I particularly distrust bureaucrats who have guns and the power of the state behind them. We need police but we need to distrust them and monitor them very closely.
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