“If your standard of morality for invading foreign countries and seizing their territory is that they’re better off that way, I guess you have a point.”
I see. Then you are in agreement with the Aztlan activists who want the American Southwest returned to Mexico. They share your view of the immorality of the United States. Lincoln may be the last American President they approve of. Maybe Obama.
“Ah, I must have missed where Lincoln personally sent the orders to the confederate batteries to fire on Ft. Sumter, timing it so that congress was out of town.”
Confederate batteries had fired on the supply ship Star of the West in January. Lincoln took office in March and could have used the previous Star of the West incident to ask Congress for a war vote. Congress adjourned and Abe sent a second supply ship. I give Abe credit for knowing it would be treated the same, giving him his pretext while Congress was gone.
“Funny, I was just thinking of Putin. I’ll bet he believes Crimea is “better off” with Russia.”
He certainly agrees with Lincoln that secession is unacceptable and needs to be put down by force.
“Just announcing that you’re now a different country doesn’t make it so. “
King George III agrees. Brezhnev too. And Putin.
“And when congress came back they approved of everything that he had done.”
11 states were missing from that Congress but there’s little surprise that the ones that remained rubber stamped what Lincoln wanted. They would have been slow learners if they missed the message when Abe had the Maryland legislature arrested.
I don’t know of another President who suspended habeus corpus, arrested political opposition, shut down newspapers. Maybe Woodrow Wilson during WWI. It is a good method for discouraging any opposition.
Is it moral to invade weaker nations and annex their territory? Yes or no.
I give Abe credit for knowing it would be treated the same, giving him his pretext while Congress was gone.
Maybe nuance escapes you, but there's a difference beween firing a shot across the bow of a ship and shelling United States fort into surrendering.
He certainly agrees with Lincoln that secession is unacceptable and needs to be put down by force.
Which is why Putin is supporting the separatists in Ukraine. Got it.
King George III agrees. Brezhnev too. And Putin.
Not one nation recognized southern independence. What does that tell you?
11 states were missing from that Congress but there’s little surprise that the ones that remained rubber stamped what Lincoln wanted.
I always love the Lost Causer argument that they were somehow being denied representation after they walked out. It's right up there with the "that crafty Lincoln tricked us into firing at Ft. Sumter" argument.
They would have been slow learners if they missed the message when Abe had the Maryland legislature arrested.
You seem to have trouble with time lines. Congress' authorization was over a month before the Maryland arrests.