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Whatever You Do, Don’t Buy Your Aircraft Carrier From Russia
War is Boring ^ | 12 September 2014 | Kyle Mizokami

Posted on 09/13/2014 2:48:08 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

India learned the hard way with INS ‘Vikramaditya’

Like a lot of countries, India wants the best weapons it can afford. But ideological and financial concerns mean there are a lot of things it won’t buy from the United States or Europe. That pretty much leaves, well, Russia.

India has been a big buyer of Russian weapons for 50 years. Those haven’t been easy years for New Delhi. India’s defense contracts with Russia have consistently suffered delays and cost overruns. And the resulting hardware doesn’t always work.

Of all India’s Russian procurement woes, none speak more to the dysfunctional relationship between the two countries than the saga of INS Vikramaditya. In the early 2000s, India went shopping for a new aircraft carrier. What followed was a military-industrial nightmare.

Wanted—one new(ish) carrier In 1988, the Soviet Union commissioned the aircraft carrier Baku. She and her four sisters of the Kiev class represented a unique Soviet design. The front third resembled a heavy cruiser, with 12 giant SS-N-12 anti-ship missiles, up to 192 surface-to-air missiles and two 100-millimeter deck guns. The remaining two-thirds of the ship was basically an aircraft carrier, with an angled flight deck and a hangar.

Baku briefly served in the Soviet navy until the USSR dissolved in 1991. Russia inherited the vessel, renamed her Admiral Gorshkov and kept her on the rolls of the new Russian navy until 1996. After a boiler room explosion, likely due to a lack of maintenance, Admiral Gorshkov went into mothballs.

In the early 2000s, India faced a dilemma. The Indian navy’s only carrier INS Viraat was set to retire in 2007. Carriers help India assert influence over the Indian Ocean—not to mention, they’re status symbols. New Delhi needed to replace Viraat, and fast.

India’s options were limited. The only countries building carriers at the time—the United States, France and Italy—were building ships too big for India’s checkbook. In 2004, India and Russia struck a deal in which India would receive Admiral Gorshkov. The ship herself would be free, but India would pay $974 million dollars to Russia to upgrade her.

It was an ambitious project. At 44,500 tons, Admiral Gorshkov was a huge ship. Already more than a decade old, she had spent eight years languishing in mothballs. Indifference and Russia’s harsh winters are unkind to idle ships.

Russia would transform the vessel from a helicopter carrier with a partial flight deck to an aircraft carrier with a launch ramp and a flight deck just over 900 feet long. She would be capable of supporting 24 MiG-29K fighters and up to 10 Kamov helicopters.

She would have new radars, new boilers for propulsion, new arrester wires for catching landing aircraft and new deck elevators. All 2,700 rooms and compartments—spread out over 22 decks—would be refurbished and new wiring would be laid throughout the ship. The “new” carrier would be named Vikramaditya, after an ancient Indian king.

A real aircraft carrier for less than a billion dollars sounds almost too good to be true. And it was.

Shakedown In 2007, just a year before delivery, it became clear that Russia’s Sevmash shipyard couldn’t meet the ambitious deadline. Even worse, the yard demanded more than twice as much money—$2.9 billion in total—to complete the job.

The cost of sea trials alone, originally $27 million, ballooned to a fantastic $550 million.

A year later, with the project still in disarray, Sevmash estimated the carrier to be only 49-percent complete. Even more galling, one Sevmash executive suggested that India should pay an additional $2 billion, citing a “market price” of a brand-new carrier at “between $3 billion and $4 billion.”

For its part, Sevmash claimed that the job was proving much more complicated than anyone had ever imagined. Nobody had tried converting a ship into an aircraft carrier since World War II. Sevmash specialized in submarine construction and had never worked on an aircraft carrier before. The ship had been originally built at the Nikolayev Shipyards, which after the breakup of the Soviet Union became part of the Ukraine. The tooling and specialized equipment used to build Admiral Gorshkov was thousands of miles away and now in a foreign country.

Like many contractors, defense or otherwise, Sevmash had its unhappy employer over a barrel. With the job halfway done, and having already dropped $974 million, India could not afford to walk away from the deal. Russia knew it, and was blunt about India’s options. “If India does not pay up, we will keep the aircraft carrier,” one defense ministry official told RIA-Novosti.

‘There will be grave consequences’ By 2009, the project was deadlocked and word was starting to get around the defense industry. Russian arms exports for 2009 totaled $8 billion, and Sevmash’s delays and extortionary tactics weren’t good for the Russian defense industry as a whole.

In July 2009, Russia’s then-president Dmitri Medvedev made a high-profile visit to the Sevmash shipyard. Indian news reported that the carrier was still half-done, meaning that the yard had done virtually no work on the ship for two years as it held out for more money.

Medvedev publicly scolded Sevmash officials. “You need to complete [Vikramaditya] and hand it over our partners,” the visibly irritated president told Sevmash general director Nikolai Kalistratov.

“Otherwise,” he added, “there will be grave consequences.” In 2010, the Indian government agreed to more than double the budget for the carrier to $2.2 billion. This was less than the $2.9 billion Sevmash demanded, and much less than Sevmash’s suggested “market price” of $4 billion.

Suddenly, Sevmash magically started working harder—actually, twice as hard—and finished the other half of the upgrades in only three years. Vikramaditya finally entered sea trials in August 2012 and commissioned into the Indian navy in November 2013.

At the commissioning ceremony, Indian Defense Minister AK Anthony expressed relief that the ordeal was over, telling the press that there was a time “when we thought we would never get her.”

Enduring woes Now that Vikramaditya is finally in service, India’s problems are over, right? Not by a long shot. Incredibly, India has chosen Sevmash to do out-of-warranty work on the ship for the next 20 years.

Keeping Vikramaditya supplied with spare parts will be a major task in itself. Ten Indian contractors helped to build the carrier, but so did more than 200 other contractors in Russia, Croatia, Denmark, Germany, Italy, Japan, Finland, France, Norway, Poland, Sweden and the U.K. Some countries, particularly Japan, were likely unaware they were exporting parts for a foreign weapons system.

The ship’s boilers, which provide Vikramaditya with power and propulsion, are a long-term concern. All eight boilers are new. But yard workers discovered defects in them. During her trip from Russia to India, the flattop suffered a boiler breakdown, which Sevmash chalked up to poor-quality Chinese firebricks.

China denied ever exporting the firebricks.

Finally, Vikramaditya lacks active air defenses. The ship has chaff and flare systems to lure away anti-ship missiles, but she doesn’t have any close-in weapons systems like the American Phalanx.

India could install local versions of the Russian AK-630 gun system, but missiles will have to wait until the ship is in drydock again—and that could be up to three years from now. In the meantime, Vikramaditya will have to rely on the new Indian air-defense destroyer INS Kolkata for protection from aircraft and missiles.

As for Sevmash? After the Vikramaditya fiasco, the yard is strangely upbeat about building more carriers … and has identified Brazil as a possible buyer. “Sevmash wants to build aircraft carriers,” said Sergey Novoselov, the yard’s deputy general director.

That almost sounds like a threat.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aircraftcarrier; russia; warisboring
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To: Bogey78O

You are correct but that thought might have escaped designers. Another possibility is that damage control considerations were included but removed to get within the budget


21 posted on 09/13/2014 6:15:17 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: Straight Vermonter

“Munir Redfa defected from Iraq to Israel with his MIG-21 in 1966. When westerner military techs finally got a look at the plane they couldn’t believe that the plane was riveted together. The seams in the skin of the plane were not even flush.”

And it used vacuum tubes!!! What a bunch of backward neanderthals, using vacuum tubes!!!

...and then they realized that our planes would drop out of the sky with an EMP and their planes would hum right along, unabated.


22 posted on 09/13/2014 6:20:24 AM PDT by BobL (Don't forget - Today's Russians learn math WITHOUT calculators.)
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To: Bogey78O

Quantity has a quality all it’s own. Or something like that. Throw masses of men and materiel at the enemy. So what if a lot of them get slaughtered.


23 posted on 09/13/2014 6:23:45 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They should have had the Poles refurbish the thing at the Gdansk shipyard. Would have gotten a better product and on time.


24 posted on 09/13/2014 6:34:42 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: bert

The thing I’ve found, is that you get the same workmanship from the same people regardless of budget. A good welder can do good cheap work. A bad welder will always do bad work regardless of budget.

You have to have a culture of quality to have any chance of it. The Swiss and Germans didn’t luck into their quality build and design. Russians have always made poorly toleranced semi-functional products. Sometimes that worked in their favor... Other times the rocket explodes on the launchpad.


25 posted on 09/13/2014 6:46:00 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Lower Deck

Their aircraft manufacturing isn’t any better. If you go to the USAF museum in Dayton, OH, they have an F-16 sitting next to a MiG 29. The quality of manufacturing and workmanship is starkly different. The MiG looks like crap sitting next to the F-16. In fact, the MiG they have on display looks like crap compared to a German Me 162 Komet that was also on display (and was built in 1944 while being carpet bombed)


26 posted on 09/13/2014 7:53:00 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (If ignorance is bliss how come there aren't more happy people?)
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To: AFreeBird

Russians and communists and Asians fight like that. Always have.


27 posted on 09/13/2014 7:57:29 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: BobL

So you actually believe that vacuum tube systems are superior in an EMP event?


28 posted on 09/13/2014 8:02:04 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: AFreeBird
Quantity has a quality all it’s own.

The Sherman tank philosophy.

29 posted on 09/13/2014 8:06:09 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: mad_as_he$$

“So you actually believe that vacuum tube systems are superior in an EMP event?”

The Soviet tubes back then CLEARLY WERE superior compared to our electronics, and every expert agreed.


30 posted on 09/13/2014 8:06:40 AM PDT by BobL (Don't forget - Today's Russians learn math WITHOUT calculators.)
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To: Mister Da

What Clancey knew and to anyone with above 85 IQ can see is that NO Russian (now or USSR) arms are seriously intended for “military” near-equal combat per se, rather its intent and effectiveness is toward civilian or non-sophisticated Countries defense’s.

The Russian culture seems to be inept at producing or could care less about quality.


31 posted on 09/13/2014 8:28:31 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: BobL
Every vacuum tube system in existence then or now has inductors of some kind. While tubes may survive an EMP event inductor most likely will not, unless hardened. Understanding of EMP was in it's infancy then. Bottom line even US tube system suffered damage in the H-bomb tests.
32 posted on 09/13/2014 8:28:57 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

Inductors do a hell of a lot better than microelectronics in an EMP, even first graders know that.


33 posted on 09/13/2014 8:30:31 AM PDT by BobL (Don't forget - Today's Russians learn math WITHOUT calculators.)
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To: BobL
Depends on the design and use. Current military electronics are hardened against EMP to a very high level. Stuff even a few years old not so much. Depends on the power and proximity to the event. The computer you a working on not so much. Of course a tube system made to copy the functions of it would be the size of Rhode island and consume half the power in the US and still wouldn't(couldn't) be hardened. BTW your position on inductor durability is refuted by the Starfish test where street lights in Hawaii were taken out by one of the tests. Guess what the all had in common? They had similar alignment to the blast and all had transformers (ballasts).
34 posted on 09/13/2014 8:39:25 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: sukhoi-30mki

You have problem?

35 posted on 09/13/2014 8:40:52 AM PDT by McGruff (I'm thinkin.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

In the end, does it matter? So we win a war (maybe) and 90% of our people starve, because all the “experts” thought it was only the Art Bell crowd that believed EMPs were real...


36 posted on 09/13/2014 9:05:03 AM PDT by BobL (Don't forget - Today's Russians learn math WITHOUT calculators.)
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To: X Fretensis

Great post, thanks.


37 posted on 09/13/2014 9:21:31 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
It seems that the only factor making Russia a current threat is the fact they have "The Bomb" and possibly the means to deliver it. What a bunch of manufacturing and assembling clowns. I went to their trade show many years ago(Breznev was president) and their displayed shotgun barrels were not even deburred at the barrel opening, the stock displayed gouges that had been poorly repaired. I drew the conclusion at that time they did not have the manufacturing ability to take us on.
38 posted on 09/13/2014 9:57:49 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Bogey78O

Well, the references to money were not made to the workmanship or the skills of the craftsmen but to design elements like water tight doors and cable ways. After being told to cut the costs, designers all over find ways to alter the design and specifications to obtain the cuts.


39 posted on 09/13/2014 10:02:57 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: bert

Yea, but the welding job and handiwork has no excuse. For the money they paid, the workers should have taken some level of pride.


40 posted on 09/13/2014 10:51:12 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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