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To: Vermont Lt
Church is boring.

No, he said it was intellectually non-challenging. I can agree. I used to be an active member in a Southern Baptist church that used Lifeway Sunday School curriculum. The difference between the adult and children's classes was the crayons. The adult class material was antiseptic and I've seen deeper bottle caps. In another church, we set aside the "approved" class material and had an adult bible study, directly from the actual bible, and had some great discussions about it. The class tripled in size in less than two months. The Minister of Education found out and put the kybosh on that. The class went from about 40 or 50 down to 10.

You keep telling them what they want is not acceptable, but every other outlet tells them it’s ok.

The article never said that. It didn't even hint at it.

And..every time we’ve “ trusted” an elder, we’ve gotten screwed.

I've seen it happen more than a few times. One of my best friends was a PK and grew up moving from town to town because his dad would be called to a church and grew to become loved and trusted. This inevitably threatened the power or popularity of someone else in the church hierarchy, and he would eventually be driven out. My friend is an agnostic now. I blame so-called "Christians" for hurting him like this when he was a kid. He's 45 and still bitter about it. His dad still preaches and moves every 18 months or so.

73 posted on 09/16/2014 1:33:04 PM PDT by EricT. (Everything not forbidden is compulsory.)
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To: EricT.

I’m sorry to hear about your (PK) friend’s experience... but don’t you think there’s something of a disconnect between his view of the world and the Bible? Somewhere along the line, didn’t he hear (or didn’t internalize, or didn’t connect the dots) about St. Paul being booted from pillar to post, almost always because the “popular religious leaders” had their pride in a knot? Why did he become an agnostic in reaction to his father being treated like St. Paul? If persecution causes your kids to fall away, it’s possible that their own free will (and erratic formation by the culture) led them away, that’s true... but it could also be a lack of pointing out that the Gospel is REAL (with a real war to go with it, with real casualties—”blessed are you when they persecute you on account of My Name”, etc., is a pre-emptive war report, not platitude-laden fluff!). I won’t presume to judge on that point... but I do know that no one has any GOOD reason to flee the Church, simply because fellow sinners in the Body of Christ persecute him, ack like jerks, and the like. We either trust Christ (despite our lack of taste for the tools He chooses—Romans 8:28, Colossians 1:24, 1 Peter 4:13, etc.), or we don’t.


79 posted on 09/16/2014 1:52:02 PM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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