Posted on 09/19/2014 8:19:35 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
Post #5 is a link to the entire list.
And it’s in your language, dummy.
I don’t think it exists in English. It is a Russian Department of Justice website and a list is a subject of regular update. Use online translator to read it if you think I’m not honest.
And I can only infer that, given the amount of evasion on this thread regarding the subject, there are some publications on the list that are “inconvenient.”
Please, learn this list if you want to judge it. It is not that difficult. You won’t find Bible or American Bill of Rights or any statements by Founding Fathers, Jefferson or even Reagan (who might be a boogey for Russians following your beliefs) there.
It is all distinctive malicious stuff which is censored by mods of Freerepublic too and should be kept out of schools for sure.
And if you think this list is arbitrary compiled by the government you are wrong. Every piece added is a result of.a costly legal battle.
It is easy to conclude that you are not honest, Vatnik, since you are a Russkie who compares Freepers to Russian Stalinists whom you defend anyway in their fight against Ukraine and the West. You're one of the most dishonest Putinists on this forum, always white washing your regime's crimes while pretending to be against them.
The fallacy in your statement is in believing the Russkie list to begin with. There is no reason to think that the Russians are only banning eeeevil Islamic text books from those awful Crimean Tatars who are always exploding everywhere /s, and not everything that is hostile to the regime. The Tatars themselves have lived in peace in Ukraine for a very long time and, similar to the Kurds, are a strong and independent people. Yet, today, Tatars (and Ukrainians not getting with the program) in Crimea are being murdered and systematically brutalized by your regime.
And as for the Russkies banning "National Bolshevik" stuff, the Russians themselves are holding conferences with Neo-Nazis in Crimea. Why would they be banning them when they are inviting them there?
"The deliberate confusion that Putin's Russia produces and the inverted concepts it employs have an ideological underpinning: Russia is trying to hide its right-wing extremist attempts to undermine the post-war liberal-democratic order in Europe under the guise of "anti-fascist struggle".
One particular event scheduled for the end of August is especially indicative of this strategy.
On 29-31 August 2014, an international conference called "Russia, Ukraine, New Russia: global problems and challenges" will take place in Yalta, situated in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea currently occupied by Russia. There will be around a hundred of participants, but some of them deserve special attention:
Frank Creyelman (far right Vlaams Belang, Belgium)
Luc Michel (neo-Nazi Parti Communautaire National-Européen, Belgium)
Pavel Chernev (far right Ataka, Bulgaria)
Angel Djambazki (far right Bulgarsko Natsionalno Dvizhenie, Bulgaria)
Erkki Johan Bäckman (neo-Stalinist, Finland)
Márton Gyöngyösi (fascist Jobbik, Hungary)
Giovanni Maria Camillacci (fascist Forza Nuova, Italy)
Roberto Fiore (fascist Forza Nuova, Italy)
Mateusz Piskorski (far right Samooborona, Poland) <> Konrad Rękas (far right Samooborona, Poland)
Bartosz Bekier (neo-Nazi Falanga, Poland)
Nick Griffin (fascist British National Party, UK)
http://anton-shekhovtsov.blogspot.se/2014/08/1984-russian-and-european-fascists.html
The "separatist" leaders themselves are also members of various Stalinist, Fascist or Nazi organizations. And it's not like these people are "independent" rogues, as Russia would like to pretend.
Russia never trains terrorists that they do not absolutely control:
"A. Litvinenko: The bloodiest terrorists in the world were or are agents of the KGB-FSB. These are well-known, like Carlos Ilyich Ramiros, nicknamed "the Jackal," the late Yassir Arafat, Saddam Hussein, Adjalan (he is condemned in Turkey), Wadi Haddad, the head of the service of external operations of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Hauyi, the head of the communist party of Lebanon, Mr. Papaionnu from the Cyprus, Sean Garland from Ireland and many others. All of them were trained by the KGB, received money from there, weapons and explosives, counterfeit documents and a communication equipment for carrying out of acts of terrorism worldwide.
FAKT: Some may object that each of the listed figures, and the forces supporting them, were engaged in solving their own political problems.
A. Litvinenko: Certainly, all these figures and movements operated under their own slogans; however, none of them especially hid their "intimate" ... relationship with the Kremlin and Lubyanka. There is a simple question: whether the Russian special services would train and finance people and groups that were not supervised by Lubyanka and did not serve the interests of the Kremlin? You understand perfectly, they would not. Each act of terrorism made by these people was carried out as an assignment and under the rigid control of the KGB of the USSR. And [the terrorism] ... is not casual after the disintegration of the USSR and [reform of the KGB]....
FAKT: Every terrorist you have named is from 'the old staff' of the KGB. Could you name someone from recent history?
A. Litvinenko: Certainly, here it is. The number two person in the terrorist organization al Qaeda, who they are crediting with the series of explosions in London, Ayman al-Zawahiri, is an old agent of the FSB. Being sentenced to death in Egypt for terrorism and hunted by Interpol, Ayman al-Zawahiri, in 1998, was in the territory of Dagestan, where for half a year he received special training at one of the educational bases of the FSB. After this training he was transferred to Afghanistan, where he had never been before and where, following the recommendation of his Lubyanka chiefs, he at once ... penetrated the milieu of bin Laden and soon became his assistant in al Qaeda.
FAKT: Could you hint at least, where this data comes from?
A. Litvinenko: I can. During my service in one of the most secret departments of the FSB, top officials from the UFSB of Dagestan, who had directly worked with Ayman al-Zawahiri ... were called to Moscow and received high posts."
http://www.jrnyquist.com/nyquist_2005_0813.htm
I can’t help you, Puny, if you believe sources like Litvinenko more than your lieing eyes.
Uh huh.
Since you are so interested in disclosure, why don't you tell us, in general, who you are. I am not interested in specifics whatsoever, but I would like to know your nationality and political affiliation.
“Please let me know more specifics so that I may construct a personal attack.” LOL
The Kremlin believed in him enough to kill him with Polonium 210. And he's not the only one who charges Russia with control of Islamic terrorism across the world:
From Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa:
"The view that the latest wave of Muslim outrage worldwide, including the murderous assault on the U.S. embassy in Libya and new threats from Iran, is somehow a “spontaneous” reaction to the low-budget film “Innocence of Muslims,” has been revealed to be political naïveté at best, and ignorant or intentional scapegoating at worst.
After all, even the president of Libya, Yousef El-Magariaf, stated that “no doubt” the attack had been “preplanned,” emphasizing that the terrorists had chosen a “specific date for this so-called demonstration.”
However, the day of our ambassador’s murder, Sept. 11, 2012, also happened to be the very day the Kremlin celebrated a significant anniversary – 125 years since the birth of Feliks Dzerzhinsky, the founder of the KGB, now rechristened FSB.
My past experience at the top of the Soviet bloc intelligence community gives me solid ground to state that the Muslim attacks on U.S. embassies and the assassination of our ambassador to Libya, carried out with Soviet-made rocket-propelled grenades, Kalashnikovs and Molotov cocktails, were just as “spontaneous” as the May Day parades in Moscow – and that they have the same organizers.
In 1972, I had a breakfast with then-KGB chairman Yury Andropov in Moscow. The Kremlin, he told me, had decided to transform Arab anti-Semitism into an anti-American doctrine for the whole Muslim world. The idea was to portray the United States as a war-mongering, Zionist country financed by Jewish money and run by a rapacious “Council of the Elders of Zion” (the KGB’s derisive epithet for the U.S. Congress) intent on transforming the rest of the world into a Jewish fiefdom. Andropov made the point that one billion adversaries could cause far greater damage than could a mere 150 million. Even Muhammad, he said, had not limited his religion to Arab countries.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/a-brand-new-cold-war/#xlJa1vQ9XhuPd84d.99
"All the bodies are buried and Mihai Pacepa, former acting chief of Communist Romania’s espionage , knows where they are. He is spilling the bills and what he reveals is devastating. More from the Front page interview. hat tip Mara
FP: Tell us about the PLO and its connection to the Soviet regime.
Pacepa: The PLO was dreamt up by the KGB, which had a penchant for “liberation” organizations. There was the National Liberation Army of Bolivia, created by the KGB in 1964 with help from Ernesto “Che” Guevara. Then there was the National Liberation Army of Colombia, created by the KGB in 1965 with help from Fidel Castro, which was soon deeply involved in kidnappings, hijackings, bombings and guerrilla warfare. In later years the KGB also created the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, which carried out numerous bombing attacks on the “Palestinian territories” occupied by Israel, and the “Secret Army for Liberation of Armenia,” created by the KGB in 1975, which organized numerous bombing attacks against US airline offices in Western Europe.
- See more at: http://pamelageller.com/2007/08/how-the-kgb-cre.html/#sthash.NYLkqtDR.dpuf
From KGB defector Anatoliy Golitsyn and an anecdote from General Alexander Sakharovsky
"Golitsyn also confirmed Soviet collaboration in the Muslim world to be used as an instrument of war against the West:
In March 1965 the First Conference of Muslims of Asia and Africa was held in Bandoeng. Thirty-five countries were represented. The Mufti of Central Asia and Kazakhstan, Babakhanov, led the Soviet delegation. The conference discussed the use of Muslim proselytizing societies as weapons against imperialism. The need to harness Islam to the service of the revolution has been openly discussed by communist strategists. Based on Soviet experience in Central Asia, the problem of achieving this is considered difficult but soluble. (Emphasis added).
He also explained the reasons behind the Soviet Union’s sponsorship of terrorism:
The objective of violence is to create chaos and anarchy, to impose additional strains on ruling democratic parties, to eliminate their ablest leaders, to force them to resort to undemocratic measures, and to demonstrate to the public their inability to maintain law and order, leaving the field open to the legal communist party to present itself as the only effective alternative force.
In addition to Golitsyn, General Alexander Sakharovsky, the head of the KGB 1st Chief Directorate (responsible for foreign intelligence) from 1956-1971, said, “In today’s world, when nuclear arms have made military force obsolete, terrorism should become our main weapon.”
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/asia/item/13069-russian-red-jihad
Finally, modern use of terrorism in Russia against Russian citizens:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/nov/22/finally-we-know-about-moscow-bombings/
I can sum this up in one word: Texan.
What about you?
Interesting list of banned publications relating to islam in the Crimea. Obviously, their leader threatening to bring the fighters in Syria back home to help persuade Ukraine to grant them autonomy, after NATO declined to assist, wasn’t such a good idea.
Now they face a little house-cleaning.
“...Some of the children of the deported—raised in Uzbekistan and now adults—have returned to become leaders. Refat Chubarov, head of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People, the representative body of the Tatars, has called on his people—there are now approximately 300,000 Tatars in Crimea—to peacefully boycott the referendum. Nevertheless, some Crimean Tatars have vowed to oppose secession, with force if necessary. According to Western press reports, some Tatars fighting with the rebels in Syria have offered to return to join the cause....”
The reason I asked was the "we" in one of your comments last week. Sounded to me like your Ukrainian relatives or something like that. If that's the case, fine, but I would like to know.
Find a personal attack by me, Mostly I attack neocon logic.
I probably meant "we" as in "western civilization." I am a glorious Spaniard with the blood of Conquistadors, not a noble Ukrainian.
What "leader" is that?
He's the one named in the article
I forgot to reply to this. "Now"? Almost immediately with the start of the invasion, Crimean Tatars were "disappeared" by Russian forces in Crimea (Well, not really disappeared, one fellow was video taped being grabbed and shoved into a car) and were later found to be tortured and killed out in the woods. For example, from March 18th:
http://www.rferl.org/content/crimea-tatar-killing-ukraine-russia-annexation-minority/25301602.html
I don't know about you, but I think I can understand why Crimean Tatars and Ukrainians, both historical victims of mass murder by the Soviet regime, might be wanting to resist the Russians.
"According to Western press reports, some Tatars fighting with the rebels in Syria have offered to return to join the cause."
The speakers are the "Tatars fighting... in Syria", not a Tatar Leader in Crimea.
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