Posted on 09/19/2014 8:19:35 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
from the comments:
2 million, that’s how many people the Crimean Tartars sold into slavery in the slave markets of Istanbul. This does not account for the rapes of women who were not taken into slavery, this does not account for the children and old, who died on Eastern Europe’s version of the Trail of Tears. This does not account for the millions who died defending their homes.
2 million is simply the number of people that were sold by the Crimean Tartars into slavery, in what they called ‘the Harvest.’ We can thank the Ottoman Turks for keeping good accounting of the taxes they collected on the sales.
The Crimean Tartars, you be the judge of what Poles, Moldavians, Belorussians, Russians, Ukrainians, Georgians, and Lithuanians think of them. And just as the Crimean Tartars remember 1944, everyone else remembers what came before.
How many centuries ago did this happen? How about you show me one bit of evidence that the Crimean Tatars in Ukraine are going around raping, killing or exploding on anybody since their return from Soviet exile.
Don’t worry your little head about it, they are obviously moderate sunni muslims who just want autonomy and wouldn’t hurt a fly./s
After you falsely claimed that a Crimean Tatar leader is calling for Islamic Jihad, you then seemed to cite something from centuries ago (which you are now telling me not to worry about) in order to justify repression and the murder of innocent people on the street for some ancestral guilt.
As an American Conservative who believes in the Rule of Law, I have plenty to worry about when some dummy justifies violence against people and even executing them without the protection of a trial and any rights.
And by the way, the Iraqi Kurds, who are defending Christians in Iraq and are fighting our war against ISIS, have proven that you can't just automatically assume that every Muslim is a potential enemy whom we should preemptively kill. They are astoundingly Pro-American and I support them 100 percent. If you want to start rounding people up because of their religion, regardless of who they are or their guilt or innocence, go ahead and try it, Russkie.
you cannot give any government, including our own, that kind of power. if the government will censor it will also lie. how can anyone but Putin know whether that list is complete? you expect a government that will censor to tell the truth?
ok, so I’ll settle for rounding up the sunni Tatar salafists fighting in Syria, probably by now in league with ISIL.
And I totally endorse the censorship of Islamic publications in the Crimea by the Russians.
Russkie? You got your knickers knotted. I’m an Australian and we’re not that far off from closing down some of the Islamic ‘bookstores’ - which are, like mosques, nothing but recruiting centres.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-10/two-men-arrested-after-raid-on-islamic-centre/5733134
When it comes to Putin, it appears you are very much like the pet who begins to look like the owner. Don't spam me with your trash about Syria when the Russkie mongrels are brutally murdering people in Crimea. If you condemn Islamic terrorism, you must also condemn Russian terrorism.
I will, when and if I have a mind to, NOT when it suits you.
So truth and justice is to you no different than a whim, coming and going as it suits you.
~The Kremlin believed in him enough to kill him with Polonium 210.~
In other news it was Bush who blew WTC and Pentagon and the feds killed a few guys to stop them from spreading ‘truth’ about it.
I know who Litvinenko was and if you have spent a few time to research this personality you wouldn’t believe his single word. And you wouldn’t believe a propagated version of his death too.
All that you have said are weird Anti-Russian conspiracy which have little connection to reality in modern times but we can see numerous people here judging all Russians on that terms.
That is primary reason why more and more Russians are growing distrustful towards America and setting to oppose all things American. People simply can’t take this hate.
And for some reason Russia is still more pro-American.
At least Russian court may be compassionate for an American cause and blast a group recruiting Bashkortostanian muzzies for Iraq war as a hate group based on their malicious activity towards the US military personnel as an ethnic, religious and professional minority group targeted by jihadis in that exact case. Yep, Russian lawyers are that creative to punish an Anti-American group they hate to restrict their propaganda despite the fact that a ‘hate group’ in question doesn’t violate any Russian interest.
I think you’ll have a nerve to call it a kangaroo court.
In America such a jihadi groups fundraising and recruiting against Russia considered a ‘peace groups’ and ‘think tanks’. Their representatives are visiting Congress and State Department. They have prominent US politicians and intellectuals as a honorary members and a soldier-killing jihadis are generally referred a ‘freedom fighters’.
Who brought you Tsarnaevs?
I refuse to believe that all Americans are like you, Puny.
You can’t distinguish between friend and foe and your mind is too lazy to research and see through propaganda.
I read it to be that the Russians are enforcing a 2004 Russian law regarding certain reading materials in the Crimea...
“Article 13 of the Federal law of 25.07.2002 No. 114-FZ “on counteracting extremist activities”, paragraph 7 of the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation, approved by Decree of the President of the Russian Federation No. 1313 13.10.2004, the Ministry of Justice of Russia responsible for examination, publication and posting on the Internet the federal list of extremist materials.”
I’ve been casually reading some of these posts for weeks now, and have tried to refrain from posting on them as best I can. But having said that, I have made several observations and they are somewhat unsettling.
What I see is a contingent of FReepers, supporting Putin adamantly, with the shared reasoning that they all admire his handling of what is by all accounts a large regional Muslim terrorist threat. From that standpoint, if that was all it was about, I think most would agree that he has done a fairly good job, but these threads are going far beyond that.
Putin is a geopolitical danger in his own right, as has been Russia for as long as my memory goes back and that is for his tenure and going back to the Vietnam war that they participated in as chief agitator..
He has opposed the US in every way possible to include arming and technology exchanges with Iran, Syria and other Muslim states as you know. He is now and has been single handedly reinstating much more than a soft tyranny in Russia and while he has not gone back to Communism, he might just as well have done so. He has achieved the same goals, but as a populist politician.
Now I’m not going to even try to say that our fearless “mom jeans” leader in the US is any better. I’m just trying to make the point that Putin has only begun to consolidate power in the region and we in the US at some point will have to intervene militarily, (post Obama) or just let him run wild, because that is what he’s going to do if unopposed.
So from that standpoint, I see very little to admire in Vlad, or his people for that matter who are letting him do it.
However this has always been the case with the Russians. It will continue to be the case, for as long as I can see in the future, unless there are some democratic reforms, a rejiggered populace that does not have nationalist hegemony tendencies and the removal of the bull crud faux regime we are witnessing occur there now.
I think anyone with half a brain and a bit of history can make the correct call that we are going to end up with another containment policy on Russia and that it’s close to inevitable.
The problem with the US however is that our policies tend to shift with the political winds and there is never any follow through. If our policies were consistent, we would have allowed Patton rearrange the deck chairs in the region before we called WWII a done deal.
Could have saved ourselves and many millions of people in the region, years of useless misery over the Russian issue and my Georgian grandparents would have died happy and content..
But alas...that did not happen.
Where is the Iranian bomb for that much of technology transfer?
Bottom line is that earlier Putin regime was more pro-American than late Yeltsin regime and it mean really pro-American considering the fact that Yeltsin was a Clinton’s sock puppet.
It haven’t paid off for Russia and certain actions by certain US politicians have convinced him to change course.
Putin is a populist, true, he is doing hard to follow a public opinion in a situation when he is unable to influence it.
If people in Russia would think America is an enemy he would become really anti-American. That is actually how he has his 90% rating.
Who cares what you claim is a "Anti-Russian conspiracy"? You're a bootlicking Russkie who hates America, curses us as a police state, defends your Stalinists, and then comes around and acts like you're our buddy writing stuff like this:
And for some reason Russia is still more pro-American.
You're a pathological liar as usual. Your country traffics in anti-American conspiracy theories and propaganda in their state run media resulting in this:
"An opinion poll published this month by the independent Moscow-based Levada Center indicated that just over 70 percent of Russians currently view the United States in a negative light — the highest figure since the collapse of the Soviet Union. About the same percentage of respondents described U.S. policy toward Russia as “hostile.”
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/29/anti-americanism-rampant-fringe-conspiracy-theorie/#ixzz3DqHpNx84
How are they pro-American, stupid, when 9/11 Truther conspiracies are aired on your state run channels and your media bosses openly declare on air that Russia can turn the United States into nuclear ash?
Shut up and quit spreading your lies on FR.
“Where is the Iranian bomb for that much of technology transfer?”
They have had the tech to build a bomb for years..Got it the same way others did from Pakistan and from N. Korea.
All they needed was the fissionable material. So they could probably build one, (if they have not yet done so) today.
The tech needed to make it small enough to put on a intercontinental missile has yet to be developed to my knowledge, but then, the distance they need to travel is fairly short. They only need to get to Israel and neighboring states for now.
As to Putin’s Stance on the US...I don’t see much of a difference between him, Gorby, or Khrushchev. (Yeltsin was in a category by himself) Most people are not very aware of this but Khrushchev was not the total anti-American that his public personae seems to reflect. In fact it was his softness that led to his ouster.
But all of them are a reflection of their constituents to some degree or another. Khrushchev, and Gorby for part of his term were sock puppets of the Communist Party bosses, But Putin is a product of the failure of the Soviet Union as I see it. A product of a attempt to rebuild after a devastating event through a resurgence in nationalism.
As such he has a contemporary (80 years earlier) who rose from the ashes of a failed state.
Named Adolph.....
~”An opinion poll published this month by the independent Moscow-based Levada Center indicated that just over 70 percent of Russians currently view the United States in a negative light — the highest figure since the collapse of the Soviet Union. About the same percentage of respondents described U.S. policy toward Russia as “hostile.”~
Rant harder, Puny and write a letter to Obama to parrot you. There would be 100%.
Don't fall for that, CH, that was a dodge straight from the Russian Foreign Ministry playbook.
BTW, have you read a list?
But it's really hard to show Putin as a good global citizen.
Everything they do is to either exacerbate problems for the US or anyone that criticizes them, or to form alliances against the same foes as a force multiplier.
That is why they are publicly stoking up their defiance as they move their pawns on the board because they are playing from a relatively weak position.
It impresses the gullible, ticks off the strong, but the goal is attention, even though negative. Much in the same vain as N.Korea and China or the schoolyard bully.
If all the response is talk and a few sanctions, then the board is clear to make more moves because it's unlikely that the response would be any more costly then it is today.
They will just raise the gas prices..oil production and tax levy’s..
They have the next two years to get a lot done without much of a response except that of the rhetorical flourish variety. After that, it's anyone’s guess but much less predictable.
keeping in mind that they are on the security counsel. The UN, which is the usual route to bring accusations, will continue to be feckless,
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