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To: DoodleDawg

>> Given the Constitution IS the highest law, itself.
>
> But the Constitution does not define what a natural born citizen is.

Which is why I gave you that info-link.

> The Constitution also identifies only two forms of citizenship; natural born and naturalized. If you are not one then obviously you are the other.

Well, there’s a third state here: “Not a Citizen”.

> Ted Cruz is not a naturalized citizen so therefore he is a natural born citizen.

The fourteenth amendment clearly muddies the water:
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

This is an act of the legislature, and therefore confers/institutes citizenship — which can only be done to naturalized citizens.
At the “crazy end” of reasoning this obliterates Natural Born citizenship, making all naturalized citizens; but it certainly isn’t unreasonable to examine the issue — especially since the elites are working so hard on destroying the requirements set forth in the Constitution.


70 posted on 09/30/2014 10:32:49 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

I hope you are not going to waste our time trolling on all of the Cruz threads.


71 posted on 09/30/2014 10:52:26 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: OneWingedShark
Which is why I gave you that info-link.

All of which I've seen before.

Well, there’s a third state here: “Not a Citizen”.

Are you suggesting Cruz is not a citizen? If not, then on what basis is he a naturalized citizen?

The fourteenth amendment clearly muddies the water: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

True, but irrelevant. If Cruz had been born in the U.S. then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

This is an act of the legislature, and therefore confers/institutes citizenship — which can only be done to naturalized citizens.

So then everyone born in the U.S. since the ratification of the 14th Amendment is a naturalized citizen? Who knew?

At the “crazy end” of reasoning this obliterates Natural Born citizenship, making all naturalized citizens; but it certainly isn’t unreasonable to examine the issue — especially since the elites are working so hard on destroying the requirements set forth in the Constitution.

Nobody is disuputing the requirement that the president be a natural-born citizen. What is in dispute is this crazy concept that the definition of natural-born citizen is some sort of unwritten law. It is entirely the province of Congress to determine who is a natural born citizen. Since they are empowered by the Constitution with creating uniform laws of naturalization it stands to reason that they need to define who needs to be naturalized and who does not.

72 posted on 09/30/2014 11:08:01 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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