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When harmless fun crosses the line into hazing
Orange County Register ^ | October 10, 2014 | Todd Harmonson

Posted on 10/10/2014 1:41:12 PM PDT by EveningStar

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To: EveningStar

I used to think “harmless” fun was okay, then I met a coworker who took everything to extremes. He thought every trick he pulled was brilliant and fun for all concerned. I concluded he’d been badly abused, confirmed by stories he told like his dad had convinced him his dog was dead and how hard he’d cried. (My dad did the same thing as an April Fool’s joke when I was about six. I never forgave him and I never trusted him again. I cried all day and he beat me because of it so I ended up hiding from him as I couldn’t stop crying.) Consequently, I was much like my coworker until I was convinced by friends that pranks were inappropriate. Seeing the pain my coworker caused his victims convinced me that there is no such thing as appropriate jokes or hazing that rely on hurting or convincing a coworker or “friend” that something is true when it isn’t.

There must be some other bonding experience that teams can practice that doesn’t hurt anybody.


21 posted on 10/10/2014 2:17:22 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Girlene
Does anyone know how long this had been going on?

Football hazing in general has been going on at all levels for decades. For this specific case, I don't know. You can click the "sayreville" keyword and/or do a web search.

22 posted on 10/10/2014 3:00:14 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Talisker
I agree with you in general.

When I was growing up boys would occasionally settle a serious disagreement with a fist fight. We all knew there were unwritten rules about how to go about that, "dirty" hits and so forth. And there were other rules, like you don't hit a girl. As school authorities suppressed any kind of physical altercation the kids lost all that. They don't know there are supposed to be limits.

23 posted on 10/10/2014 3:21:14 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: EveningStar

Poorly written article.

People who are trained in journalism know that you summarize what happened in the first sentence. The author doesn’t get around to saying what he characterizes as “hazing” until the 5th paragraph — after a lot of descriptive characterizing adjectives like “stomach-churning” and “nauseating.”

After that, there is plenty more editorializing and no descriptions of what actually happened.

Doing a search on this story is not revealing much in the way of details and the school officials are quoted as not being willing to discuss what happened.


24 posted on 10/10/2014 3:39:00 PM PDT by walford (https://www.facebook.com/wralford [feel free to friend me] @wralford on Twitter)
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To: Gen.Blather

I was beaten regularly at home and beaten up and intimidated regularly at school — and what it taught me is that people who are bigger than you can push you around. If you fight back, you are the villain. That’s about it.

We are all responsible for how we react to our upbringing, but when sane, compassionate behavior is not being role-modeled, it is a long road for a kid to learn that with no mentoring. Eventually I decided to not be a victim and the best way to get revenge on those who did you wrong is to become a better person.

I hope that you are OK.


25 posted on 10/10/2014 3:46:38 PM PDT by walford (https://www.facebook.com/wralford [feel free to friend me] @wralford on Twitter)
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To: walford

“I hope that you are OK.”

Thank you. I was badly affected into my mid-fifties by my bent upbringing. But I had a few compassionate friends and I listened to them. (You have to trust someone before you can listen and believe them.)

Incidentally, the coworker who was so crewel but didn’t think he was being crewel was angry one day that nobody believed him. As kindly as possible I ticked off the last ten things he’d done to fool people into believing what he was saying was true. He turned red and gestured angrily, saying, “But this time it is true!” I reminded him about the boy who cried wolf. I had no anger or acrimony in my voice but he never spoke to me again. (No loss, really.)


26 posted on 10/10/2014 3:56:10 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: EveningStar

Hazing in my day was never about bad beatings or significant physical harm. I think “frogging” that left a bruise was about the worst harm done. I got and gave my share of frogs. NEVER was sexual or genital behavior accepted. We’d kick the sh*t out of any homo that so much as suggested it, and we did a few times. Homos were never accepted.


27 posted on 10/10/2014 4:01:31 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: GeronL

Did you read what I wrote? No, I didnt think so.

Try reading the entire post before you post a stupid response.


28 posted on 10/10/2014 4:47:24 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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To: Vermont Lt

I rather like my stupid responses


29 posted on 10/10/2014 5:05:31 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

i usually do too. but other folks might think i support holding young boys down and rubbing their crotches. That’s all.


30 posted on 10/10/2014 5:07:27 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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To: Vermont Lt

lolz

I would hope they didn’t think that


31 posted on 10/10/2014 5:13:37 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: walford
People who are trained in journalism know that you summarize what happened in the first sentence.

Agreed. IIRC, the rule is "Don't bury the lede (lead)."

32 posted on 10/10/2014 6:49:04 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: GOPsterinMA; NFHale; Bender2; big'ol_freeper; sickoflibs

Lots of faggotry (and dykery) in hazing these days.


33 posted on 10/10/2014 10:11:49 PM PDT by Impy (Voting democrat out of spite? Then you are America's enemy, like every other rat voter.)
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To: EveningStar

THIS ISN’T HAZING.....THIS IS RAPE.

Felony charges need to be filed.


34 posted on 10/10/2014 10:16:38 PM PDT by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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To: GeronL
There's hazing and then there's out of hand dangerous. When I was on ship Engineering Dept had it's hazing for new Snipes. You name for a month or two was listed as a piece of equipment to be greased on what was called the PMS or maintenance board with a Grease equipment code beside your name. That generally ended up at some point being met in a machinery space by about a dozen shipmates in your shop and being hung up by the feet by a rope from an overhead pipe.

Caution was used as injures were not allowed to be part of it. The persons pants got filled with grease and pulled back up tight. Total time less than a minute.

The next one was ship wide and everyone on-board even the ships Captain an Admirals were subject to it. It was called Shellback initiation or appearing before The Royal Court when for your first time crossing the equator. It was was put in your service record if you had crossed before or not and remained there permanently.

It was a one time event done by Shellbacks to Pollywogs "Wogs" meaning those who had not crossed before. If the Captain hadn't then he went through this as well.

You had to duck walk through a gauntlet of guys screaming bloody murder at you to start out with, crawl through a 24" diameter 20' long tube of kitchen grease from the past three weeks at sea saved just for the festivities, see the royal Doctor for your inoculation which was a mixture of mustard, ketchup,pickle juice, hot sauce, and who knows what put into a syringe and squirted down your throat by the corpsman.

Then there was kissing The Royal Baby. Usually the lifers who were shellbacks with the most girth were The Royal Babies. In our case it was two chiefs and the Damage Control Assistant a LT Commander. Their stomachs were rubbed in grease, mustard, jelly, ketchup, etc and they rubbed your face in it. A few more rituals I've long forgotten then the final question asked at conclusion was are you a Wog or a Shellback. If you answered Shellback you were taken aside and carefully hosed down with a fire hose. If you said Wog back to the beginning of the initiation line you went LOL. No one I know of got hurt in either one. Limits were understood.

As for the Greasing? LOL I put in work time and came out a lot worse. It had it's place. It was a down right filthy place to work and for the work to get done you had to get past the reluctance to look like tar baby at the end of the day.

First time it was done for that reason and a fraternal initiation of sorts. It never got repeated on anyone unless they were a royal screw up who kept everyone in hot water.

35 posted on 10/10/2014 10:56:43 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Gen.Blather

It’s always seemed to me that there is nothing wrong with pranks and practical jokes, as long as EVERYONE is laughing. If people are really being hurt or upset, it’s over the limit.


36 posted on 10/11/2014 12:22:52 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: cva66snipe

A friend described crossing the equator; running the gauntlet (actually crawling on hands & knees around the ship while shellbacks whipped them with cut-up firehoses) and having a shellback mount him (like riding a horse) and covering his head with peanut butter while he crawled along.

Didn’t complain at all; actually found it amusing. The night before they crossed, the wogs had their turn raising hell on the shellbacks...


37 posted on 10/11/2014 5:36:06 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Aurorales

I believe they’ve just arrested at least half a dozen of the rapists.


38 posted on 10/11/2014 5:36:46 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

Yea that too and really it was fun and funny. Before I got out the Snipe Greasing was stopped. I imagine the Shellback initiation is very watered down now.


39 posted on 10/11/2014 2:12:39 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: EveningStar

I know all about being hazed, but it wasn’t sexual in nature. PAINFUL, not sexual.


40 posted on 10/11/2014 10:27:23 PM PDT by rdb3 (Get out the putter, this one's on the green.)
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