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Alaska votes to restrict large mine
The Hill ^ | 11/05/2014 | Timothy Cama

Posted on 11/05/2014 9:37:30 PM PST by balch3

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To: Eska

21 posted on 11/06/2014 4:26:49 AM PST by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Eska

22 posted on 11/06/2014 4:31:21 AM PST by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: LS

If by capitalism you mean the free market, then capitalism is not a moral system. It is amoral. It is just natural and doesn’t care if the $1000 you made is from a life saving invention or trafficking in kiddie porn.

Communism and all its derivatives is a moral system. So are Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, etc. It’s a lie to compare the free market to some moral system. It’s apples and oranges. Why America is so great is that it combined the free market with Christian morality.

Business accountability in America is a function of that morality. There is nothing about capitalism/the free market that would lead to business accountability unless the consumers demanded it.

In capitalism the consumer is king. In Christianity Christ is.

BTW, I bought your American history series along with the companion book and am looking forward to reading it.


23 posted on 11/06/2014 4:47:00 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: wyowolf
Funny thing with the consortium that was behind the Pebble Mine was they wouldn't build the mine if they had to sign on the line to be held responsible if anything went wrong over the mines development and lifetime. They wanted guaranteed in writing that they could walk away free and clear at any point with no responsibility to reclaim the land & watershed if there was a massive spill that destroyed the largest salmon watershed in North America. Seemed pretty crazy to me to also.

Actually it's all over, the entire mine is now uneconomical. The lawyers keep kickin it trying to keep her alive to make some more bucks, no joke.

24 posted on 11/06/2014 5:00:42 AM PST by Eska
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To: ParityErr

30 or 50 years of mining jobs, risking the world’s finest salmon fishery.
No sir !


25 posted on 11/06/2014 5:04:05 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Paul R.
Back in early 80's, I lived NWPa, released 47 muskies over the summer, my best year. Made my own jerk baits countered balanced to get that last little shake, really miss that here in Alaska, but we do have big northerns up to around 50 inches in some sloughs of the Yukon. I've even caught big northerns in my fish nets set for salmon run.

I grew up nx to a strip area that had even caught fire, burnt underground for 50 years I guess until it was reclaimed by state. Original strip mine owner walked away.

26 posted on 11/06/2014 5:08:12 AM PST by Eska
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To: LS

“Ok, that makes sense. A key part of capitalism is that businesses must be held accountable when they are negligent or damage private/public property.”

Only if they actually do something wrong should they be held accountable and not when it is whimsically presumed they
will or might. Anything involving the man made global
warming hoax is an example of whimsical.


27 posted on 11/06/2014 5:14:03 AM PST by Slambat
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To: balch3

Maybe. More like a victory over salmon fishers over the mine. Fish is big business there.


28 posted on 11/06/2014 6:43:00 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Norm Lenhart

My only issue with GMO is....label your product clearly and let the consumer decide whether he/she wants to eat it.

When Monsanto spends this much money trying to prevent that my Spidey Senses start tingling.


29 posted on 11/06/2014 6:53:07 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: 1010RD

Communism and Christianity are not economic systems.


30 posted on 11/06/2014 7:04:25 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: Democrat_media
Just because the EPA is wrong so often (and that is a very high percentage) does not mean it is wrong every time. Few here are as strongly for resource development as I am, but those resources in this instance include the fisheries.

The spawning areas have the potential to last for centuries.

You cannot place the one at risk for the short-term gain of the other. Either a different development plan needs to be figured out for the mine or the ongoing resource of the fisheries should take precedence.

31 posted on 11/06/2014 7:25:42 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: balch3

Building a tailings pond in a watershed is simply stupid. Doing it in a massive scale in the world’s largest salmon spawning run is simply massively stupid.

Alaskan love mining, but we love Alaska more. It’s a conservative thing.


32 posted on 11/06/2014 7:40:06 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: balch3

So what’s the “hurdle” or “restriction?” Why doesn’t the author want to that? And which is it—a “hurdle” or a “restriction?” Those are two different things.

The author also says that various groups “want to stop the mine,” but he’s not honest about the kind of group. Is it a big, government-linked corporate group of the likes in favor of county planning regulation offices, building regulation offices and HOAs? Or is it the kind of of group that doesn’t like having government-connected big shots eating in Colorado while crapping in Alaska?

Why doesn’t the author make a choice in his accusations? Are opponents trying to “stop” the mine without any conditions, erect a “hurdle” or place a “restriction?”

Some fake environmentalists want to stop working men from building their own houses on their own real properties and making products in small shops on their own real properties. Working men want government-linked fake environmentalists to clean up their own enormous messes and quit poisoning water and food.


33 posted on 11/06/2014 8:11:56 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

And make it up to the manufacturer, not the government. If you want organic, etc. plenty of companies offer those products.


34 posted on 11/06/2014 8:16:32 AM PST by matt04
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To: balch3

Correction:
Why doesn’t the author want to talk about that? [Referring to choosing between the descriptions, “hurdles,” “stop” and “restriction.”]

And why did the author describe those who want the group of investors behind the proposed mine as “Environmentalists, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and some Alaska native tribes,” when a majority of local residents are against it?

The author wrote the usual propaganda for those who have poisoned our water and food for many decades while outlawing our property rights and freedom to engage in productive activities on smaller scales. They’ve even moved to outlaw most wood stoves used for heating houses and to outlaw all of the better home-built heating alternatives.

Outlaw HOAs. Outlaw and shut down planning and building offices in rural counties. Legalize small manufacturing shops in rural areas.


35 posted on 11/06/2014 8:21:26 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

The problem in Alaska is the absence of property rights.

http://perc.org/about-perc/what-fme

Too much “public” land and resources. Assign property rights and you don’t need to vote.


36 posted on 11/06/2014 9:43:01 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: American in Israel

A tailings pond in an earthquake prone area ?
That, alone should nix this project.


37 posted on 11/06/2014 9:58:25 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

you trust the epa more than you trust the free market

therefore you are a collectivists/socialist .look it up


38 posted on 11/06/2014 10:20:02 AM PST by Democrat_media (call Congress 202-224-3121 to stop Obama's executive order for Amnesty for illegals)
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To: Smokin' Joe

you trust the epa more than you trust the free market

you trust this gang of thugs at the EPA to keep your environment safe, nature and the world safe. that’s ridiculous
the epa and government is the problem not the solution to most problems

therefore you are a collectivist/socialist .look it up


39 posted on 11/06/2014 10:24:38 AM PST by Democrat_media (call Congress 202-224-3121 to stop Obama's executive order for Amnesty for illegals)
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To: LS

Actually, communism IS an economic system, a command economy, as the government owns the means of production and services offered. It IS arguable that Christianity IS an economic system. At the minimum, a Believer should be tithing to his or her church. Coincidentally, yesterday, I heard Chuck Swindoll state, as other Preachers have, that if all Christians tithed, rather than the average 3-4%, poverty would cease to exist WORLDWIDE.Swindoll quoted an old theologian who said, “Give until it hurts, then give until it feels good!” Remember the ‘widow’s mite’ in Luke 21:1-3.

God provides, not for our comfort and wealth, our Cadillacs, i-phones and mansions, but for us to bless others as He provides and blesses us. Communism is overwhelmingly wrong, primarily because it does not recognize God and broken man directs the economy. All the other failings and latent evil stem from this.

Pure capitalism fails in God’s economy because wealth, for wealth’s sake, puts God to the side and the focus becomes “ME”! God provides for us, so we can live and more importantly, we can copy His lead and bless others and spread the Gospel by action, rather than mere words. Does this preclude being a wealthy Christian? No, but it takes a special individual to continually put God first, depending for everything on Him, rather than himself and his wealth. Jesus spoke of serving two masters.

IF you happen to fall for the ‘prosperity gospel’ that seems so popular especially in the US, I have two questions. The Apostle Paul was arguably the greatest evangelist who ever lived, so how does the ‘prosperity gospel’ line up with his having spent the last 3 years of his life in a Roman prison before being executed? If the ‘prosperity gospel’ were a correct interpretation of the NT, why was Paul not a Roman Senator or perhaps, even Emperor?

In such a context, both communism AND Christianity may be viewed as economic systems; the first, an example of one of man’s failed systems and the other, God’s perfect system.


40 posted on 11/06/2014 11:48:58 AM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian ((I once was blind but now I see...))
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