Posted on 11/13/2014 12:52:51 PM PST by gwgn02
Rep. Walter Jones (R-NC) says impeachment should be on the table if President Barack Obama moves forward with executive amnesty. Speaking with Breitbart News Wednesday evening, Jones explained that should Obama move to unilaterally legalize undocumented immigrants, it would be a constitutional issue, not an issue to be solved by restricting funding, as some Republicans have floated. “To me a constitutional question means that we have the option of impeachment,” Jones said, explaining that he thinks the best option to confront Obama’s executive amnesty would be impeachment. “We have a Constitution, and I am very disappointed from year to year that we do not follow the Constitution. To me, if you think the president has violated his trust of office, meaning with the American people, then follow the Constitution,” Jones added. The North Carolina Republican is no stranger to calls for impeachment, having at varying times seen impeachment as a way to deal with Obama on Obamacare and former President George W. Bush on Iraq. He voted against the Republican resolution earlier this year to sue the President over Obamacare because he said it would be kicked out. He told The Hill at the time that impeachment would be preferable if the GOP were serious about the issue. Jones further noted that he supported a resolution from former Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) to impeach Bush over Iraq. “We continue to forget that we have a constitutional responsibility, and to me, look at the constitutional responsibility first before you look at something second,” Jones said to Breitbart News, then stressed that he thinks Obama is a “fine person.”
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We are dealing with the aftermath of a coup, a coup that few will even admit has taken place. Like idiots we are still stuck thinking that the government is still representative of We The People and operates within the rule of law. IT DOES NOT. We suffered a coup, we have been transformed into a Fascist Oligarchy.
If we want to stop where the Ruling Class intends to take us - start from understanding where we have arrived, and make plans from there.
A lawless government will not allow itself to be restrained by a Constitution it has rendered null and void, nor will it allow itself to be diminished in power and control by the people it now rules.
Fact of the reality we now exist in.
Norm Lenhart wrote:
“Yup. One of many. And yet ‘conservatives’ right here demand that no impeachment take place because ‘dems’ might use it against us. “
And my response about those ‘conservatives’ would be:
By refusing to support impeachment of a traitor, they are supporting said traitor, and are thus traitors themselves.
What are they doing on a site that honors God, cherishes family, and defends the U.S. Constitution and freedom?
Which is why I see a future like Fallout 3/Road Warrior.
I wholeheartedly agree the pinhead needs to be impeached, but I seriously doubt the idiot would ever understand what it is. Once he loses his toys (AF One, Marine one, The Beast) he may face reality, being relegated to the backyard BB court and the WH bowling alley, theater. The Moose and VJ would soon be leaving due to loss of the symbiotic parasitic relationship.
agree with all your post...as for this part above, true - but damning with faint praise indeed!!!
Well we’re having two different discussions on the same issue. I agree that if the opposition party had been doing their job for six years, we might already be in an environment where impeachment were possible. Or maybe not - lotta lo fos out there period.
My only point is we’re not there yet, but may be soon. So we don’t really disagree here on substance, just on angle of attack.
you apparently misunderstood who I was referring to as shallow and foolish. I was talking about that wide swath of the American electorate which looks at every president as “my President” - and they just don’t want him impeached regardless.
That is a large swath we have to convince.
There a Shamnesty going on over Amnesty and all that matters in the end is that the special interests that line Obama, Boehner and McConnell’s pockets get the Amnesty they want while all the political noise goes on in the background sucking in the attention of the voters....
I just believe that we have spent years collectively, myself included) looking for reasons to kick the can. Eventually that has to stop because we reach a cliff. Personally I think we reached that cliff at minimum with the McCain/Palin election and since then we have stood there discussing football, knitting, pretty much anything to avoid having the one conversation that matters. Jumping off it after the can or not.
Barry has more than committed HCAM. We are WAY past that. He;’s into many many HCAM incidents. And the constitution tells us what to do. So IMO, waiting for a better whatever is working at cross purposes to what we all know needs to happen.
We need to man up and do it. All of us.
Corrupting us while advocating we surrender principles for political expedience.
The Apostle Paul referenced it as "A little leavening, leavens the entire lump".
This is not war. It is still politics. Impeachment has a power of its own to change the scenery. There is time for people to call their senators and make their wishes known. And there is time for the discussion to develop.
And I’m not a commander. I’m just someone on a website saying what I believe Congress must do.
Rove is wrong. It is not the pro-impeachment people who are going over the top. It is people comparing our constitutional duty to the Charge of the Light Brigade.
Impeachment would political suicide. We are finally winning in the arena of ideas. Defeating Marxist/Socialist idology is not about defeating one man. We’re going to waste the next 2 years impeaching a guy who’s gone anyway? Absolute stupidly to even discuss. THIS IS WHAT HE WANTS US TO DO!!!
The people on this thread who are advocating to be quiet in reference of impeachment as well for us to listen to Karl Rove, hello.... that man is using you. He wants us quiet so they can bring in the immigration bill again ( amnesty ) If you can’t stand up for the rule of law; not defend seeing the constitution torn apart even further, which I think it’s your duty to speak out against Obama getting another pass, then why are you even here. They can always begin the articles of impeachment, if it comes to that. If they don’t impeach, stand up for the rule of law / don’t hope for some votes even if can’t see that you are being used right now.
Who cares that some wimpy group gets insulted. This is uncertain times when you see people that are afraid to take on Obama’s unconstitutionally. This must be what it’s like in the Republican DC. offices behind the doors. I see Obama laughing at the country. He has to be because he can get away with writing new law if he does this EO. I hope someone stands up to Obama. My country comes first, the republican party does not. I plan to call my representatives; stand up for the constitution, don’t get sidetracked on 2016. That is way off / deal with the present danger.
Believing that you don’t impeach does NOT assume alliance with Carl Rove. Just try to get a political clue here. First of all you cannot impeach the first black president of the U.S. He is self destructing on his own and you want to steal that thunder and refocus everyone on “the impeachers?” All you would achieve is increasing his favoribility and destroying any chance of promoting a conservative future! Get over your anger and promote smart politics! Power of the purse, shut down the government, whatever, but impeachment would forever be viewed as vengeful and racial. We need to get some balls and just be conservative. Pass common sense conservative legislation. Force his veto. His behavior is designed to inflame people to impeach him. He wants that war because it’s emotional. It’s inflaming. Let HIM create crisis, not us! You are promoting playing right into his wheelhouse!
Sure. Impeachment is an option that is on the table. My winning the lotto is an option that’s on the table as well. And about as likely to happen.
The House has reannointed John Boehner as their leader. The senate has reannointed Mitch McConnell as theirs. Now, given everything we know about these gentlemen, can you say with a straight face that the House is actually going to impeach and the Senate is actually going to convict?
I didn’t think so.
But Norm, as you said, “we” need to man up “all of us.”
That ain’t gonna happen. At least, not until Barack does a few more “screw you” exec orders and more people do man up.
And I’m not saying it shouldn’t happen now. It should. But it won’t, and to ignore reality because you don’t like it is just an exercise in frustration.
It is a major and fundamental constitutional issue either way when a president refuses to uphold the law. The act effectively strips congress of its lawmaking authority by making any law passed and signed previously null in practice.
Legally speaking the rightfully and necessary remnity is impeachment. But the power of the purse is also on the table insomuch that this power too is still respected.
Republicans and democrats in congress alike should be warring the people and most of all the president that if a president refuses to uphold the law impeachment is one of their few options left in enforcing the Constitution.
“If it goes to a vote, you lose Snow, McCain, Graham...
“Oh what he did is bad, but it’s not unconstitutional, or doesn’t measure up to the impeachment hurdle.”
Blah!”
Id like to see Graham lie his way to an explanation on how a constitution of civil government can continue to exist when a president simply refuses to faithfully exclute the laws.
We got a funny farm in South Carolina with Graham name on it. Just imagin how the guy running against him would then be able to say Graham doesnt even care if his laws are upheld he just wants the perks.
Indeed.
The recent mid-terms were just a muscle twitch on a dying patient. The death rattle is coming.
Yeah, that is what they do.
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